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JoseDominguez

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The big difference between paintball and most other sports is the scope for deliberate cheating.......wiping, altering markers, altering padding, playing on etc... etc... plus in a tournament you play an awfull lot of games, which other sports play nine games in a day? so lots more chances to cheat..... nine chances to lift your marker early, nine chances to slide in and clear paint from your knees. On top of that you have a scoring system that requires a fair amount of "honour" (even the regular cheats call themselves out more often than not).
On top of that you have the accidental "cheats" e.g. the newer players who haven't realised the extra layer is cheating (it happens all of the time) because they haven't read the rules, the occasional player who missuses a marker from lack of experience. Or the simple things... I role my sleeves up on everything (child of the 80's.it's a Miami Vice thing), this gives me lots of extra bounce on the forearms, I'm trying to stop. but still do it occasionaly.
Two choices... Draconian marshalling, or name and shame, naming and shaming gets my vote as accidental rule breakers will get a bit of stick from those who know them, the serious offenders will be noticed by sponsors.
And yes, you can break the rules without cheating..... a hot marker, sliding out of bounds, knocking a bunker off it's pegs etc... etc.. I've only had penalty points once, it was for overshooting (fired four paintballs into his battlepack as I ran past him), I didn't argue (the Marshalls had a tough enough day) so I'd broken the rules, I didn't cheat.
 

David Jive-ass

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what I was saying

was that choosing a bouncy beanie over a, errr, not so bouncy beanie is that it will lead to more bouncers. Therefore, by the definition you provided, that would be cheating (i.e. trying to get bouncers, not for protection).

I wasn't saying that wearing a beanie was cheating. I was saying that cheating is a relative thing that is determined by the rules we have at any given moment.
 

JoseDominguez

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Interesting point, I use a proteus, so I don't often wear a hat. But when it's cold I wear a stupid snow board hat with tassels and stuff...... that's pretty bouncy..... now I'll feel guilty about wearing it.:(, Bet if you looked around, you could find some pretty bouncy hats, is looking for a nice soft hat cheating? I suppose it is really, bout time we had a compulsory helmet thingy really.
My team mates will be pleased, they hate my hat.
 

manike

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If you are wearing something for protection then it's not cheating by my definition.

If you are deliberately wearing it just for the 'bounce effect' then it might be... but only if you go outside the rules of what's permitted.
 

JoseDominguez

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But, if you wear something soft for protection, then it intrinsically is "bouncy", so, by definition a protective hat will bounce paintballs, if it doesn't then they'll just transmit the impact straight to your head. I suppose the only way to get round it is padded denim/canvas that way the denim will burst the ball, but the padding will absorb the impact. Wooly hats, sock hats, etc... are open to abuse...... nicely cushioned.
 

JoseDominguez

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I know, but how do you tell apart a player who's scared of getting his melon bruised and one who's going for maximum bounce? When I think about it, taking the visor of my proteus and replacing it with a nice fleecy sock hat would be to my advantage.......I'm not going to do it, but I'd get extra bounces, particularly as in my last tournament three out of four eliminations were on my visor. I won't swap, it would be blatant cheating(from my POV), but I've got friends who've done it as they don't like the visor, they aren't cheating, but they get the advantage.
 

David Jive-ass

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wtf?

TJ dude,

From Miriam Webster on-line: "Fundamentalist: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles"

I was using the phrase to ironically refer to people who claim to adhere to the rules of paintball in an uncritical and dogmatic manner, while insinuating a certain amount of hypocricy and counterproductivity to their stated principles...

and I'm sure that used the old three card on Arab nationalists, 'cos as far as I know, there are no 'Arab' principles to be fundamental about
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