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[Beaker]

Oh, and someone said about WAS boards having debounce. A4's do too and the ones I've seen get more bounce with a low setting than any of the Timmy's I've owned. So to say A4's are less likely to cheat isn't true either.

I actually think debounce could be the answer because using a high enough value means you can ensure you don't get trigger bounce, unfortunately it also means you can ensure you do. But maybe we could say that there is a minimum time between 2 shots or something.

In some other thread about this there was something on how fast rally great guitarists like Eric Clapton can hit strings, might give an idea on how fast is possible

 

[gaff]

Originally posted by Beaker
It's easy as to get a short enough time between 2 pulls that if you said that the time between those pulls was .056 or 1/18th of a sec, therefore I am shooting 18bps - can anyone phone WDP but I feel it just gives people inflated egos.

i agree

Originally posted by Beaker
I always laugh when people accuse me of shooting too quickly because I am shooting a constant fast string, and then I look at my display and it's only 12 or 13 bps tops, then those same people say, "I know, I shoot 25+bps" and that's just so not true..

if most people actually tested their ROF they would realise just how fast 12bps really is, and when you watch players on the field they are mostly shoting 8-10bps because 12-14bps is very fast, and an equally distinctive sound

Originally posted by Beaker
As for outshooting an Egg, they only feed at 12-13bps ON A GUN so it's easy to out shoot an Egg, I've seen it where an Egg couldn't keep up with FA Spyder on only 10bps so outshooting an Egg is hardly difficult .

not true! we have clocked the X-mag shooting consistantly at 18bps with an egg with no gaps

Originally posted by Beaker
We all seem to agree we don't want markers that rise in velocity. I remember when the RT vavle came out the velocity increases you got a speeds even with manual triggers, what's AGD's stance now, do the new valves still give you that 10-15fps increase?

AGD's regs do not 'creep' anymore that have changed the internals somewhere(?) dont ask methe tech bit i dont know, all i know is at campaign several chrono marshalls tried all sorts to make them rise, but they failed miserably the FPS on the X-Mag is very consistant now, i know i can get my marker outta my bag today and it will be 292-295 (with the same paint as previous)

 

[Beaker]

Originally posted by gaff
if most people actually tested their ROF they would realise just how fast 12bps really is, and when you watch players on the field they are mostly shoting 8-10bps because 12-14bps is very fast, and an equally distinctive sound

Exactly, it's all about rythym to even get that kind of speed, yeah

Originally posted by gaff
not true! we have clocked the X-mag shooting consistantly at 18bps with an egg with no gaps

Really? have you got any video, because I've tried and tried and can't get more than 13bps out of one under any circumstances, slap on a HALO and I've had 23bps of paint out the front (which was frightening!). There's a vid on here somewhere with a Nexus cocker on FA which only hit 15bps tops and you can see/hear the gaps, and looking at all the talk on pbnation no one else has got a non modified Egg over that - in a string, not this fastest 2 shots business.

Originally posted by gaff
AGD's regs do not 'creep' anymore that have changed the internals somewhere(?) dont ask methe tech bit i dont know, all i know is at campaign several chrono marshalls tried all sorts to make them rise, but they failed miserably the FPS on the X-Mag is very consistant now, i know i can get my marker outta my bag today and it will be 292-295 (with the same paint as previous)

Great if they have, I can just remember on my RT you would just feel it get faster and so your range changed, actually made zoning a little more difficult .

 

[gaff]

Originally posted by Beaker
Really? have you got any video, because I've tried and tried and can't get more than 13bps out of one under any circumstances, slap on a HALO and I've had 23bps of paint out the front (which was frightening!).

no i havent got any but next time im up sostas i will try and get you some, with it running through the gun as well!

 

[H]

The fastest I’ve ever walked on my Imp has been about 17 or 18bps and that was in vision mode, halo B on top and shooting over a chrono. But this was for a very brief period of time. Generally, just like Nick says its a case of averaging around 13-14 for sustained periods. Hence why i dumped the Halo in favor for a lighter Evu.

By the way, just to clear up a bit of the whole definitions thing with 'fanning' and 'walking'. As i understand it walking is when you are holding the grip correctly and your fingers are taking one step at a time on the trigger. Generally this is achieve my curling the fingers in more precise, trained and controlled manner.

Fanning on the other hand is a lot less practiced and very ad hoc. When i have seen people try and achieve these light speed rates of fire it has generally been the product of fanning the trigger. This is achieved through holding their marker primarily by the 'other' hand while their shooting hand is hardly on the grip at all and their index & middle fingers are kept straight and madly bashing away at the trigger alternately. 'Fanning' although occasionally giving impressive results when showing off how fast your marker goes bang, is rather inappropriate in a game situation.

Standing there, bashing away at the trigger through fanning is really not that hard, any one can do it with a little practice. What takes the skill is the ability to shoot very fast in a controlled accurate manner with the marker being properly supported. You see the guys on the top teams and they generally are well versed in walking, this allows them to shoot fast while keeping their gun stable (therefore accurate) on the move.