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The Observer

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In order for our sport to be viewed as a sport by the public, allowing it to be embraced into the mainstream, there are serious issues which need to be addressed.

i am not talking about format, or any of the problems discussed by people like Robbo and Nick on these forums, i am talking about something which is far easier to fix, which would allow widespread media interaction to unprecedented levels in this great sport.

I observed at Huntingdon, a lady who was impressed by the action, and intensity of the games, but appaled at the language that could be heard from those around her. For the first time, i fully understood what she was referring to , the language of everyone, watching, playing and generaly in the area was foul! This may have been an acceptable aspect of the game when the Tournaments around the world were only attended by 'ballers, but MUST stop if fathers on a weekend afternoon decide to take the family down to a local tourney to watch, only to be disgusted by what their children are exposed to.

If Chuck is after media interaction, and television, and outside industry sponsors , which i know he is because i had a brief chat with him recently, then the game must be seen to be 'squeky clean', as cameras and mikes pick up EVERYTHING. Nobody wants the sport to suffer becasue of this inability to broadcast the games during midday times because the language content is X rated. Even fellow Pros were screaming obscenities after and during the games to vent anger and show displeasure.

Even flicking through a copy of PGI at the moment, the language in sections, is not the kind of thing that mothers want their kids to read, what kind of image does this put accross to the youth of the sport, and anyone else who happens to flick through the mag on a news stand? People should know better, as should the people on these forums who happily throw around obscenities at each other, either ignorant or unwilling to act responsibly.

Now i am no saint, and have to blown my top at descisions that have gone against my team, and things like that, but i am making a special effort to be more restrained for the benefit of the sport, and so should all of you.

If this does not change, then the sport will never be embraced into the mainstream, and will be left to languish by the side of the highway, collecting dust, and stagnating!

Thoughts please:(
 

Manning26

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Observer, watch any sport highlight reel and count how many times you lip-read someone cursing. Go to any sporting event and listen to how much bad-mouthing is going on just in the stands around you. We're certainly no worse than anyone else, it's not exclusively a paintballer thing. And yeah, the mic's do pick up everything, but that's what those 'bleeps' are for.;) It's not little league, top level people play their hearts out, they're consumed during games, and some people release more hot air than others. I hate that it turns some people away, and I can see how it could, but I hardly think it will actually serve to cripple paintball.

There, there's my thought.:)
 

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Quite correct, only today I was watching the football (soccer) and heard a player comment "oh, what very bad luck Peter, an own goal, how unfortunate for you" "why yes, I am looking quite the fool" he replied.

Yes, your right, you only get swearing in paintball.
:rolleyes:

Nothing to do with 40,000 fans making it difficult to hear individuals swearing on TV then?
Ever hear anything a footballer(American or soccer), baseball player or any other team sport player said on TV? swearing or otherwise? not very often.
 

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Well I think it all depends on who you are marketing the sport to..When I go to a baseball game everything is usually pretty quiet and obscenities are kept at a minimum..But understand baseball is marketed toward families..Now on Sundays when I go to a Football game,theres enough obscenities spewed in one game than most use in a whole lifetime..

I think paintball needs to figure out who it wants to market to and then we start the war on when its ok to curse and when its not..But Observer,you also have to understand that paintball for spectators is a close,up in your face game and unfortunately these things get heard..Maybe one day when things get big and spectators can view from a distance,these things wont be a problem..But for right now we just gotta deal with it..

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Too true, at Baseball, the crowd is familly oriented, so they don't swear, the players do, but you can't hear them.
Can anyone see a paintball crowd not swearing? or the players? nope, it's an adrenalin sport, the excitement makes people let go. Can't be helped.
I don't like swearing (unless it's funny) and I rarely do it, I save it for travelling in cars and whilst playing Halo. I'm not offended by it, I just think that by using it too much you take away it's meaning. We need to invent some new ones, now that we are wearing out the old ones.
I propose "flange", "prong", "scrofula" and "S****horpe". Any more?
 

headrock6

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Thats the thing..Paintball is oriented to players say 14-21(the major age group),and boy do teens have mouths on them..I used to sit at my kitchen table cursing up a storm until I got walloped for it..But you also cant ell me a majority of parents arent gonna let there kids play paintball cuz theres alot of cursing going on..They may not like it but if the kids are having fun they'll deal with it as best they can..Im not saying its right,but its not a big deterrant when factoring if paintballs for your kid or not..

I dont curse much either(unless Duff and Jose get me heated:p )
But im not gonna say I havent screamed out F**K at the top of my lungs after losing a key spot on the field..Its life,get used to it,we'll get the promotion and attention whether its their or not..

Scrofula's pretty funny..
 

Manning26

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Good point about who we're trying to market to, but I think there again we come up with the divide between rec.-ball and tourney. I just played a tournament in January where you couldn't cuss, and after a warning players would be pulled. They did this because of the people coming in off the street (although I'm not sure how many of those there were:rolleyes: ). There was also local media coverage, and they didn't want to hurt our image by showing a bunch of punks with guns swearing at each other. Now that's something I can understand, but I still maintain that that's sport, of any kind. For smaller events, and most especially rec.-play there's more merit in having rules regarding jabberboxes. Sorry to generealize, but you must admit, tournament players are a different breed than rec. I'm not saying one is better, but if we're talking TypeA personalities, I'd say you'll have more at tourneys. Recreational players play for fun, tourney players play to win, and the higher up you go, the more the fur flies.
 

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My problem is ive been playing tourneys the last 5 years and that I tend to forget about the rec side of things..But we can agree that alot more kids are introduced to paintball through rec and not tourny play..And thats why I dont think cursing at major tournys is much of a problem..TV understands what they are getting into..Put 1000 people together aged 14-30 and your gonna get alot of cursing..Put the same people in competitve sport and its gonna be off the wall...And let me ask you,even at the tourny where you couldnt curse,how many warnings and ejections were given??Im assuming quite a few..I personally think,the person who doesnt curse,has never left his house..Unfotunately,cursing has become a part of everyday vocabulary and it only gets worse when sport is involved..


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Rec Ball should be kept clean as the competitive nature isnt anywhere near that of tourny ball..Im fine with that..Thats where dads and kids get to enjoy a fun day out without having to have their ears assaulted by a Dip S**T who has nothing better to do than curse...:p

Tourny Play-Take it for what it is..A sporting event that brings out tons of of testosterone during competitive action and is gonna be ruled by the occasional tussle and tons of curses..I can live with that and I think most will too...Its just a few tight-butts(see im tryin not to curse)that think it will be our downfall...

Ever been to the Black Hole in Oakland??I have and NFL still made it so i hold out hope for this sport of ours..

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shamu

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One thing to keep in mind with regards to language is the distance between spectators and players. In most of the sports mentioned - football, soccer, baseball - there is some distance between the spectators and the field of play. Paintball is one of only a few sports I can think of that allow the spectators to be right on the sidelines. With spectators that close, of course they're going to hear the cursing that occurs. If you had spectators on the sidelines of an NFL game, they'd hear the players cursing just as much as a paintball game, if not more. At least in paintball we're wearing masks so you can't read our lips :D

And, for what it's worth, teams were warned about language on the center court (NPPL) field at HB. The F-word was supposed to be an automatic elimination. Not sure how much it was enforced in finals but that's what we were told.
 

Baca Loco

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We have had this discussion before but . . .

Observer is correct.
The rest of you can call it unreasonable or hypocritical or silly but that's the way it is.
At this stage of the promotion game you don't want to alienate a fair portion of the potential "spectator" population. This has nothing to do with who plays and who doesn't. It has to do with how wide a net of interest in our sport can be cast.
(And 6, your experiences don't count as you live in perhaps the coarsest city in America :) And CBS doesn't put a mike in the Black Hole unless it's on a delay.)
At Huntington at the Captain's Meeting Chuck made a strong point that vulgar language and cursing on the fields could be cause for the refs to pull you and I know of at least one high profile instance where it was done. (In all honesty though it was mostly ignored.) The NPPL understands that this is an issue and you can expect them to continue to try and limit the swearing. I also know a very well known pro team whose members talk like most young men but they have an on field policy that strongly discourages such outbursts 'cause they realize that at this point in time it is to their benefit and the sports to be as professional as possible.
And 26, put down the crack pipe and take a good look in the mirror. Type A personalities my a**:D If they consistently get yanked cos they won't exhibit any self-control, guess what, pretty soon they stop doing it or they stop playing.