Campaign Cup Scandal

[Uffe]

The Campaign Scandal

I'll just say this as I experienced it: The judges at Campaign were the worst I have ever seen in a Millennium tourney, in fact they were the worst I have seen anywhere (with the exception of team Hardcore on field 1, who did an outstanding job).

There are two things that made the Campaign Scandal that I'd like to point out:

1. Some of the judges just didn't have the skill and experience needed at this level.

2. Some judges obviously favoured teams they knew and assisted them in cheating.

As I see it, these problems arise at almost every major paintball tournament and having arranged the Campaign Cup 13 times before this one, the promoters should have taken steps to prevent them from happening when going at it for the 14th time.

They should not invite teams they know do not have what it takes to do a good job. And they should be aware of which teams that have a problem with judging fairly.

By failing to do so, Campaign most certainly does not help bringing paintball into a new level of proffesionalism. The Campaign Cup took the sport a few steps back this year.

I feel that by not taking care of their problems, the Campaign administration does not take the players (nor the sport) seriously. Do they think we practice hard, spend time and money, just to play a game where skill doesn't matter and the judges decide who wins?

I think that the Campaign Cup did not show the players any respect at all regarding this year's judging. No respect to them for treating us as players this way, and absoluteley nada respect to the teams that say yes to a job yhey can't do, or even worse, help other teams cheat.

My question is: What can we do as players to prevent another Campaign Scandal from happening?

Regards,
Ornulf Riisnes
Malera

 

[sjt19]

The Campaign Scandal

Originally posted by Uffe
The judges at Campaign were the worst I have ever seen in a Millennium tourney

Hmm.....you didnt play Portugal this year then?

 

[Johan]

Hardcore wasn't all that

and have you missed Campaign actions for asking for 3 marshalling teams? Nobody wants to marshall Campaign, it's too good, they all wanna play...and so did you!

BTW you didn't marshall at all...

 

[Urban]

The Campaign Scandal

Originally posted by Uffe
My question is: What can we do as players to prevent another Campaign Scandal from happening?

Pay more...

It been pointed out on these boards recently, and the in the past, that the only way to try and ensure impartial judging is to employ impartial judges.

Without even getting into the training implications, and timescales required to actually train them up to the required standard, they would cost more than the current system.

You could mix up the marshalls, so each field is marshalled by various nationalities and teams, but that would not necessarily prevent the "scandal" you are talking about; most of the time I had one marshall watching me and, according to your statement above, I would be more liable to survive a game if he were English as opposed to any other nationality, and especially if he is a mate of mine.

But all the above is down to the organisers.. you asked "What can the players do?"...

Simple.... don't cheat.

Urban

 

[Robbo]

The Campaign Scandal

Originally posted by Uffe
I'll just say this as I experienced it: The judges at Campaign were the worst I have ever seen in a Millennium tourney, in fact they were the worst I have seen anywhere (with the exception of team Hardcore on field 1, who did an outstanding job).

There are two things that made the Campaign Scandal that I'd like to point out:

1. Some of the judges just didn't have the skill and experience needed at this level.

2. Some judges obviously favoured teams they knew and assisted them in cheating.

As I see it, these problems arise at almost every major paintball tournament and having arranged the Campaign Cup 13 times before this one, the promoters should have taken steps to prevent them from happening when going at it for the 14th time.

They should not invite teams they know do not have what it takes to do a good job. And they should be aware of which teams that have a problem with judging fairly.

By failing to do so, Campaign most certainly does not help bringing paintball into a new level of proffesionalism. The Campaign Cup took the sport a few steps back this year.

I feel that by not taking care of their problems, the Campaign administration does not take the players (nor the sport) seriously. Do they think we practice hard, spend time and money, just to play a game where skill doesn't matter and the judges decide who wins?

I think that the Campaign Cup did not show the players any respect at all regarding this year's judging. No respect to them for treating us as players this way, and absoluteley nada respect to the teams that say yes to a job yhey can't do, or even worse, help other teams cheat.

My question is: What can we do as players to prevent another Campaign Scandal from happening?

Regards,
Ornulf Riisnes
Malera

Uffe (pronounced oaf) weren't you one of the guys shouting abuse from the stands when Nexus were playing ???

 

[Steinar Tuft]

There are two things that made the Campaign Scandal that I'd like to point out:

1. Some of the judges just didn't have the skill and experience needed at this level.

2. Some judges obviously favoured teams they knew and assisted them in cheating.

Nr 1: I can live with that as long as they do their best.

Nr 2: Thats really bad and those teams should be banned.

I heard it happend to you again - this time against Method, according to the Swedes who where watching it.

Any ideas how we can prevent this from happening?

Would it help if we bring one team over extra and put one or two players on each field to watch the games and report to the ultimates or have one ultimate for each field?

I guess prorefs are out of question

 

[DARREN]

CC2K3 Scandal ???

Very strong words from someone clearly upset ,but ,it only raises the same old question .

So whats the solution ?. if I knew that i1d be a rich man !!!

But heres a suggestion ,

If we are all so upset by the marshalling we receive at Tournaments then why don`t we all as paying customers refuse to play any paintball untill the powers that be sort this problem out once and for all.
Drastic measures I know but think on this ,if the tournament organisers have no players then they have no income !, and if they have no customers they will soon go out of business, and then the game of Paintball would die a quiet death.

Now if all the people who control paintball at the top level the people who make the rules actually called a meeting and sat down together. Faced with the threat of sort the mess out on the rules and marshalling or go out of business something good might come of it .

So many people have acted outstandingly to address these problems but as individuals they have no clout with the big guns who call the shots.

At every tournament I have played this year and marshalled the rules seem to change depending on which site you are playing
WHY ?

Why can`t we have 1 set of rules for everyone ?? please can someone tell me .

As for marshalls wouldn`t it be better to have totally independant marshalls who are not influenced by players or teams and who have to answer in person to a senior governing body again independant of pressurisation from ANYONE ,obviously they would need to consult with the senior paintball body of some sort as yet I do not know of an overall governing body to set up the rules ,and meet REGULARLY to update or change rules as necesary.


As for all us players if we were a lot more sportsman like in our conduct on and off the fields half the problems wouldn`t exist any way !!!!.

Well hope your not to bored and thankyou for reading this.

 

[Uffe]

Re: The Campaign Scandal

Originally posted by Robbo
Uffe (pronounced oaf) weren't you one of the guys shouting abuse from the stands when Nexus were playing ???

As a matter of fact, no.

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: The Campaign Scandal

Originally posted by Uffe
As a matter of fact, no.

Ok, cool, my apologies !

 

[Matski]

I did see some bad judging at Campaign, the worst was some bias against 2 American teams, although I guess you could argue they bought that on themselves...still dosn't make it right.
I saw more good calls than bad however, and didn't feel this was worst judged event, overall.
The main thing was the lack of promotion compared to Toulouse, but I guess this costs money without a short-term return for those involved.....