Bottle Issue Again

[Steve Hancock]

Gah.

Originally posted by Chicago
Getting the stamp has *NOTHING* to do with testing.

err, aren't bottles tested when they are manufactured, not just RE-tested every few years. That is what gets them the stamp, of course passing the test is in someway dependant on the design.

And i think Gups pointed out that it is not simply a legal matter.

 

[Chicago]

Yes, they're tested,and yes, they need to be tested, but being tested is not SUFFICIENT for getting the stamp. If I make a bottle, and I make sure it passes the test, that doesn't mean I can put a stamp on it - my particular bottle design and manufacturing process needs to be approved in order to have a stamp.

 

[Smally85]

Originally posted by Chicago
Yes, they're tested,and yes, they need to be tested, but being tested is not SUFFICIENT for getting the stamp. If I make a bottle, and I make sure it passes the test, that doesn't mean I can put a stamp on it - my particular bottle design and manufacturing process needs to be approved in order to have a stamp.

Now to me this seems silly, if a bottle passes the test surely it is up to standard? Otherwise it wouldn't pass the test... surely?

Or is this because the test only implies that it'll work NOW and the design and manufacturing process of the bottle need to be investigated before the tester will say yeah that'll work for X amount of years at this standard?

Stupid tests... stupid bottles... mutter mutter...

 

[Gups]

Chicago, i don't think the posters above are getting the design spec and test periods mixed up. We understand the differences.

The design spec before the current EN12245 (pi marked bottles) was HSE-AL-FW2 and FW1 and BS5045 or 5043, depending on the type of bottle.

Because these bottles conformed to the legislation for bottle design at the time they were brought into service, they are STILL legal to use (here in the UK) PROVIDED they are in test. So whether a bottle is legal to 'commercially fill' depends on both design spec AND test periods, not one or the other.

All new bottles put into service here in the UK are now made to design spec EN12245 and are stamped CE and/or Pi to show they conform to this design spec.

What some of us UK ballers are miffed about is that we may have to buy new bottles just for Millennuims, even tho our current bottle design specs are perfectly legal here in the UK.

Basically thats anyone with a bottle older than about 2 years, although they have a 15 year lifespan. I don't know french, german, dutch and spanish legislation but i imagine under TPED it's pretty much the same as ours as TPED sought to bring european standards in line with one another. I'm assuming therefore that french spanish german and dutch ballers are still able to use their pre-pi marked bottles in domestic events so long as they remain in test and within their 15 year lifespan?? (Anyone know this?)

If so, why not for Millenniums??

And on the subject of Design Spec and Testing..Remember the DOT thing a few years back (and still today occasionally) DOT and BS5045 design specs were actually identical yet DOT was not legal to commercially fill in the UK. Why? Because the TESTING process specified for DOT was thought to weaken the bottle structure as the US test to a higher pressure than the UK, causing stress fractures within the bottle wall.

Damn! Why can't lpaintball be simple, like chocolate..plain or milk, no test dates, design specs and easily identifiable at a glance

 

[go-one]

Chicago, you totaly missed the point of this thread. It has very little to do with the hows or whys of getting a stamp, but the implamentation of a new stamp that potentialy forces us to go and buy new bottles.

What if I told you you could not drive your car on 3+ lane motoways unless it was green but it was fine for all other roads ???

Would you go out and buy a new green car ???

Even tho your blue car meet all the required design and test citeria it just was'nt green cos they did'nt invent green paint till this year ?????

 

[Jasper]

go-one your comparisons arent that good try this

all cars in europe must have this brand new safety device they have just thought of unless you cant drive them in europe. however your car is still fine in the uk (so long as it passes its mot) but if you want to take it abroad you will have to buy a new car

 

[Dark Warrior]

Originally posted by Jasper
go-one your comparisons arent that good try this

all cars in europe must have this brand new safety device they have just thought of unless you cant drive them in europe. however your car is still fine in the uk (so long as it passes its mot) but if you want to take it abroad you will have to buy a new car

good analogy

 

[go-one]

Im all anologied out. i think we can scape 7 pi bottle together between the team but it still bugs me !!!! My bottles are only 3-4 years old on a life of 15 YEARS !!!!!!

Bah humbug vote UKIP / Veritas / bomb brussles party or the god dam BNP. In fact no, not the BNP, I did'nt join the Army to stag on @ heathrow !!!! Althogh they do have some good shops...........

 

[Gups]

Just to bring this thread up to date: Trev at H-Pac verbally informed me at the North v South game that ALL HP Air bottles which are currently legal in the UK can be filled by H-Pac at Campaign Cup, 2005. NOT just those which are Pi marked.

It is just the overseas Millenniums where the Pi mark comes into play as it became compulsory in Europe beore it did in the UK.