Bottle Blows Up
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the fill rate should in theory be restricted so that the station does not allow you to fill over quick - you should just pull the lever, wait, release and go.....
in future i will be watching my fill rate yourself to be on the safe side
in future i will be watching my fill rate yourself to be on the safe side
1. - Flash Fill - NEVER DO IT - The faster you fill a bottle the hotter the air becomes and thus the temperature of the bottle. Take Hot Air to be as dangerous as Hydrogen
2. - H-Pac fills are at least 20 sec for a 0.8l and 30sec for a 1.1l and that is from 0 to 4500 psi. They have done numerous tests with rates of fill in relation to bottle temperature. There are specifications referring to the working temperature of air cylinders and their fill times are based on these test and specifications with an additional safety margin thrown in
3. - UKPSF run air fill courses that educate you in the ways of air fill and things to look for. Note that the course is geared to 3000 psi fills and is a yearly accreditation. (Which reminds me
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4. - The safer fill rig is one that you pull the level and the air is input at a slow rate and you have no control other than to stop and start. This therefore must be governed by some sort of restrictor in the line. The level of restriction is upto the supplier and the site owner
5. - A turn round time of 2 mins is achievable using H-Pac systems in X-Ball/X-ball lite and has been proven during 2007. It just means as a team you need to get your act together. 3 mins geez you had enough time to go to loo as well m8
2. - H-Pac fills are at least 20 sec for a 0.8l and 30sec for a 1.1l and that is from 0 to 4500 psi. They have done numerous tests with rates of fill in relation to bottle temperature. There are specifications referring to the working temperature of air cylinders and their fill times are based on these test and specifications with an additional safety margin thrown in
3. - UKPSF run air fill courses that educate you in the ways of air fill and things to look for. Note that the course is geared to 3000 psi fills and is a yearly accreditation. (Which reminds me
)4. - The safer fill rig is one that you pull the level and the air is input at a slow rate and you have no control other than to stop and start. This therefore must be governed by some sort of restrictor in the line. The level of restriction is upto the supplier and the site owner
5. - A turn round time of 2 mins is achievable using H-Pac systems in X-Ball/X-ball lite and has been proven during 2007. It just means as a team you need to get your act together. 3 mins geez you had enough time to go to loo as well m8
Was your bottle ever complety empty, as the timings are set on a empty bottle to 4500PSI of course the fill time will change depending on how much air you have in your bottle to start with.
The connector did not catch fire, there where carbon deposits on the fill station, and one of the fill stations is damaged beyond repair due to a higher pressure coming from the gun side.
Think H Pac state earlier that they test 15 secs to 4500, I may be wrong and it is several pages ago.
May I just state again, that opinions are fine but thats all they are, the Freekz Paintball Site are trying to get the cold hard facts into the light of day, and lead by example.
Hi Kitch.
I thought really carefully before making my last post, as I really did not want to appear to be raising a question over the rig from Sunday.
I am sure you and everyone involved are doing absolutely everything that can be done to get to the bottom of this and prevent similar occurences in future.
As I stated, having thought hard about it, I have used other rigs around the country that have filled just as quick in the past. I have also used some that filled a lot slower (usually with me hissing and cursing because it was taking so long !).
To answer your question I filled several bottles to approx 4000psi from empty, and topped up several times from (very approx) half full (not really sure) back to 4000psi. And I am confident that none of these fills took longer than 5 seconds at tops. BUT - I may well have been using the rig incorrectly (?).
I really do not want to cause a witch hunt. There were plenty more experienced ballers than me there on Sunday whom all thought the rig was fine.
It sounds like most of the community have up until now been unaware how quickly we can fill, and we have always gotten away with it until stakos were brought into the equation.
However, if incorrect use of the filling station (pulling too hard on the lever) is resulting in dangerous filling practices, then we need to get this ironed out now.
I thought really carefully before making my last post, as I really did not want to appear to be raising a question over the rig from Sunday.
I am sure you and everyone involved are doing absolutely everything that can be done to get to the bottom of this and prevent similar occurences in future.
As I stated, having thought hard about it, I have used other rigs around the country that have filled just as quick in the past. I have also used some that filled a lot slower (usually with me hissing and cursing because it was taking so long !).
To answer your question I filled several bottles to approx 4000psi from empty, and topped up several times from (very approx) half full (not really sure) back to 4000psi. And I am confident that none of these fills took longer than 5 seconds at tops. BUT - I may well have been using the rig incorrectly (?).
I really do not want to cause a witch hunt. There were plenty more experienced ballers than me there on Sunday whom all thought the rig was fine.
It sounds like most of the community have up until now been unaware how quickly we can fill, and we have always gotten away with it until stakos were brought into the equation.
However, if incorrect use of the filling station (pulling too hard on the lever) is resulting in dangerous filling practices, then we need to get this ironed out now.
H-Pac have tested 15 secs to 4500 on Stako bottles, I believe and found them to stay below the required temperature. But please note that this is extreme testing primarily to see if the bottle will fail, their own fill stations take twice that time. If you take H-Pac as being the benchmark then should not everywhere else be filling slower. I know that several UKPSF sites certainly fill to 3000 slower than you appear to fill to 4500
As stated by others there is no witch hunt or blame being attached to the Nige, the site or the bottle manufacturers. Just passing on information that will help to prevent any recurrence of these incidents
I used that compressor at Freekz the week before for the Nicky T clinic and its no faster or slower than any of the others I've used. Its newer and shinier and maybe a little louder as its all in one portable package.....at least it was until Nige viciously blew it up the little Paintball Terrorist he is
(kidding)