I'm very happy to stand corrected
I was wrong there and man enough to call myself a chump!Bottle Blows Up
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I was wrong there and man enough to call myself a chump!
Great news Kitch. Last thing I wanted was any of you guys to get any blame in this
Lets see what happens next to give the "flamers" ammo to have a go at someone
Nige
Lets see what happens next to give the "flamers" ammo to have a go at someone
Nige
Ego's cause global warming, factGreat news Kitch. Last thing I wanted was any of you guys to get any blame in this
Lets see what happens next to give the "flamers" ammo to have a go at someone
Nige
My understanding is that although "Carbon Fibre" bottles meet all the recommended safety standards, but it is the fact that they are carbon fibre which makes them more susceptible to bottle fires. The risk is substantially reduced by a fill rate lower than is standardly used.
Most sites will probably have there fill rigs at a level that is suitable for standard fibre wrap (Aluminium/Kevlar) upto 3000psi, but too high for Carbon Fibre. When you take into account the amount of heat generated filling from 0 - 4500psi compared to from 0 - 3000psi, it is highly possible that some sites filling to 4500psi and some to 3000psi are perfectly safe for standard bottles, but fill too fast for the "Carbon Fibre" bottles.
The issue then is where/or with whom does to problem lie
"Carbon Fibre" bottles - Well the bottle is perfectly safe if used within required limits. That is proven
Fill rig suppliers - Well the rigs and fill rate will have been tested against standard bottle styles and caused no incidents. Again Proven
My view is that "Carbon Fibre" bottles were designed with sup air tournie players in mind, who normally just top up after each game as opposed to full fill.
If you wish to use one then only fill it to 4500psi at a tournie on an H-PAC fill station, which we all know are set up to slow fill within the tolerances for Carbon Fibre bottles or if you are at a regular site then fill only at a slow fill 3000psi output.
The end of the day, you may not be bothered about your life, but think of the half dozen or more stood around you are well.
Each incident is getting worse, thankfully Nige will be back to shoot another day. If you heed the warnings - we will stay safe
Most sites will probably have there fill rigs at a level that is suitable for standard fibre wrap (Aluminium/Kevlar) upto 3000psi, but too high for Carbon Fibre. When you take into account the amount of heat generated filling from 0 - 4500psi compared to from 0 - 3000psi, it is highly possible that some sites filling to 4500psi and some to 3000psi are perfectly safe for standard bottles, but fill too fast for the "Carbon Fibre" bottles.
The issue then is where/or with whom does to problem lie
"Carbon Fibre" bottles - Well the bottle is perfectly safe if used within required limits. That is proven
Fill rig suppliers - Well the rigs and fill rate will have been tested against standard bottle styles and caused no incidents. Again Proven
My view is that "Carbon Fibre" bottles were designed with sup air tournie players in mind, who normally just top up after each game as opposed to full fill.
If you wish to use one then only fill it to 4500psi at a tournie on an H-PAC fill station, which we all know are set up to slow fill within the tolerances for Carbon Fibre bottles or if you are at a regular site then fill only at a slow fill 3000psi output.
The end of the day, you may not be bothered about your life, but think of the half dozen or more stood around you are well.
Each incident is getting worse, thankfully Nige will be back to shoot another day. If you heed the warnings - we will stay safe
Because I have a stako, and I was trying to fill as slow as I possibly could, but the slightest move on the handle would make it fill very quickly, so prehaps if there was a 3k fill as the post above suggested, prehaps that'd fill alot slower & safer? (Yes I know we wouldnt be getting the full capabilities of the stako with the 3k fill rather than 4.5k, but atleast we'd be keeping our lives, equipment and others around us safe)
then why not fill from empty slowly to 3k, leave for a few minutes and then top up on the 4.5k line? then just keep the bottle topped betwen games?
just a thought, i know it wouldn't always be practicable or practical.
Had 2k in the tank mate as I had just lent it to someone to use.
I WILL STATE THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LENT OUT, THE GUY WHO BORROWED IT TOOK IT FROM ME FROM THE FIELD GATE AND GAVE ME IT BACK STRAIGHT AFTER THE GAME SO PLEASE DONT TRY AND BLAME HIM!
God forbid, if he would of tried filling it.
If I hadnt of lent it, I wouldnt of been filling.
Nige