Bottle Blows Up

[Jeff Abbott - Dye]

Why can't we just wait and see what the reslut of the ongoing investigation will bring?

No point a guessing what has happened how it did happen...etc!

The case is been dealt with....


just be glad it did go the way it did and no one got hurt too badly!

Nige is on the way to a speedy recovery and that is all that matters.

If you are worried about your Stako bottle don't use it...

We are waiting to see what the investigation brings up. That has never been questioned.

What I want is for event organisers/field owners to take a stand and not give us the choice of using "the prime suspect" until it has been proven safe.

Freekz have done it but everyone needs to step up.

If we leave the choice to the individual then we are putting ourselves at risk and I for one, don't want to stop playing until this is sorted. If there is a possibility that someone could be filling these things at an event I am looking to play then I am not going to go.

keka

 

[evoonline]

has anyone seen a reply from Wendy regarding the UKMasters take on the current situation? i know it only happened yesterday but i was wondering if UKMasters will be allowing the use of stackos for the time being or if this will be the same as the last time a bottle/reg went up.

** im not saying the stacko or the reg was to blame but as freekz and d7s are banning stackos for the time being a tournament take on this would be nice **

 

[DANIEL]

There was a knee-jerk reaction to banning Stakos after the first incident.

They obviously meet certain safety standards or wouldn't be approved by PI / HSE or whatever. They were put under massive scrutiny and they can now be used again, i agree that this incident needs looking into and I am slightly concerned and if i had another bottle I would seriously use it and I might even try and source a spare from somewhere.

I think it is shocking that we let anyone near this kind of pressure without proper training or supervision, and there is nothing stopping any idiot from buying a marker or HPA that could seriously injure or kill people.

I see people at training sites that walk around with no barrel socks but it's ok because they play tournies they can be trusted not to accidentally shoot someone in the face, but then we all laugh when someone accidentally fires into there barrel sock!

There are some f*cking idiots out there with guns and HPA, the whole scene needs to review it's safety measures before anything more serious happens.

 

[SabreUK]

If we start banning everything unsafe before weighing situations/factors up properly it will really damage paintball as a whole.
Before you know it more and more things will get banned, then eventually paintball.
I think we need to let the experts address the causes and problems, then work to eliminate them, and improve the safety.

 

[Oppy]

Oppy, I dont think anything was 'proven' about the first Stako explosion in Madrid as far as i am aware. What was thought is that oil was some how chucked into the mix, conclusions were made that the owner added oil to the fill nipple not from proof, but because a bottle of oil was found near by. Tim/Trevor, can you shed some light on this?

Keka is right, how many other systems apart from this 1 crossfire blowing up when filled have people heard about over the past 10/15 years? Then we have 3 Stakos in the space of a year..

This is no witch hunt, just conclusions based on fact. In my eyes these facts need to be PROVED wrong before these tanks are deemed safe once again.

Look - we all know the safety of everyone is paramount - however asking them to prove again what they have proven already before it gets investigated is a bit much.

Do we actually know yet that this was the bottles fault? Could the reg be at fault? I don't know, but blaming the bottle 100% before its investigated is a bit too much of a conclusion to draw. If a site wishes to take the safety line, great and if individuals wish to stop using them then all good and dandy,

The words Ban, Kill etc are a bit ahead - I agree that this is a major concern but i still would ask that the flash fill idea to be looked at more carefully to see what the hell is going on and if this is somehow causing bottles (evidently Stakos in particular) a problem? I may be way off line but at least it's an avenue which has then been checked?

But What i am saying is regardless of the outcome of the stako "debate" slowing fill rigs down and increasing the awareness of what to do and not do with HPA would surely be a great step in the right direction. Maybe this and some of the other comments on here could push this forward?

Here ive attached post from the millennium web site from last year - something must have proven (or assurances given) when this statement was released by the millennium series when the last "ban" was lifted.....

"28 of June, 2007
The Millennium are pleased to announce that following a full investigation by STAKO and a report produce by the TUV of Poland and that of H pac the Millennium air supplier, that the tempory ban on the use of their compressed air cylinders is now lifted. Please follow link to see full TUV report www.stakopaintball.com.
We would like to thank STAKO for their full cooperation and understanding, H pac for their professionalism with regard to safety and cooperation with the investigation.
Hpac confirm that any bottle that appears to be leaking or is damaged in any way, regardless of manufacture, will not be filled on the grounds of health and safety.
We are also pleased to announce that the company STAKO will be represented at the remaining millennium events starting in London on the 20th July."

Right - that's my lot, but as a final comment i would ask HPAC what their thoughts are on the use of HPA at events and who uses them - i.e Should the Public be allowed to use the rigs, or should you had it over each time to a qualified person who checks then fills it each time the correct way..? Should everyone who attends an event pass a basic competency course before using them? (cant be much to ask a baller for 15 - 30 mins of their time before an event)

I don't know - just a few thoughts..

 

[ollytheosteo]

I use a Stako... So please.. just be quiet and calm down... Rant and you're just being immature.

Joe

But which is the more mature attitude? To say while there's any doubt lets see them off the fields until the matter is settled? Or to say let's ignore any potential problems because I bought one of these and I want to use it?
All the pro Stako arguments come down to 'I have one and don't want to stop using it because it's light and cost me money (and my game will suffer horribly if I have to go back to the bottles we were all using a couple of years ago)' which isn't really enough after 3 explosions in a year.

If, in the interests of safety, it became mandatory to use a particular reg standard, we would see the same moaning and pleas for 'calm' we've seen over Stakos with players moaning about the weight increase or the hardship of having to spend £50 on a new reg, regardless of any added safety margin. It's true that some of the PMI-knockoff and similar regs out there at the mo are shockingly bad, but dealers sell them and players buy them and if they're a bit lighter or cheaper than the good stuff they sell more. We also get players turning up at events with out of test or damaged bottles and getting pissy when they can't get a fill, so it seems the only way to make people think about safety is not to give them the choice. Which puts the onus back on the leagues and air specialists to get some rules in place and then be hated and abused by all the people who then have to replace shonky kit of all kinds, from dodgy regs to knackered bottles.

 

[Nexus - Leigh]

I use a Stako... So please.. just be quiet and calm down... Rant and you're just being immature.

Joe

What, so everyone is safe because you use one ? not sure I follow this.....

 

[JTD1993]

He's ranting and raving and it's just stupid.. Why not just let the investigation be carried out then rant and rave after when they've finished the investiagation...

No, I'm saying I use a Stako, I'm not complaining about this, that and the other yet...

 

[jknight15]

If the fault is either due to flash filling (not pointing the finger at Nige) or oil in the nipple then you can't honestly blame Stako and there is nothing to blame besides possible human error (again not pointing at Nige).

However if it is due to a bottle fault then Stako better start praying..........

 

[JTD1993]

But which is the more mature attitude? To say while there's any doubt lets see them off the fields until the matter is settled? Or to say let's ignore any potential problems because I bought one of these and I want to use it?
All the pro Stako arguments come down to 'I have one and don't want to stop using it because it's light and cost me money (and my game will suffer horribly if I have to go back to the bottles we were all using a couple of years ago)' which isn't really enough after 3 explosions in a year.

If, in the interests of safety, it became mandatory to use a particular reg standard, we would see the same moaning and pleas for 'calm' we've seen over Stakos with players moaning about the weight increase or the hardship of having to spend £50 on a new reg, regardless of any added safety margin. It's true that some of the PMI-knockoff and similar regs out there at the mo are shockingly bad, but dealers sell them and players buy them and if they're a bit lighter or cheaper than the good stuff they sell more. We also get players turning up at events with out of test or damaged bottles and getting pissy when they can't get a fill, so it seems the only way to make people think about safety is not to give them the choice. Which puts the onus back on the leagues and air specialists to get some rules in place and then be hated and abused by all the people who then have to replace shonky kit of all kinds, from dodgy regs to knackered bottles.

I would replace my reg if I have to, No questions asked and for the health and safety of others and myself around my Stako.

I meant "Rant and you're immature" in a "Don't complain until the situation has some evidence as to why Stako's are exploding..." But it came out wrong