Avalanche Cheating?
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"But who the f wants to be a marshal? Where's the glory(or money) in that? " Good point.
I think we can look to other pro sports to find the answer. When other pro sports became large enough financially to pay their athletes a full time wage, then an association of referees was formed (or formed itself) and these referees were also paid a wage, and they in turn became professional marshals. Eventually, I believe, paintball will grow to the level where the pro players are actual pros and will get paid to play full time. (Allot has to happen between now & then, but I think it will come about.)
(Edited for my terrible spelling)
I think we can look to other pro sports to find the answer. When other pro sports became large enough financially to pay their athletes a full time wage, then an association of referees was formed (or formed itself) and these referees were also paid a wage, and they in turn became professional marshals. Eventually, I believe, paintball will grow to the level where the pro players are actual pros and will get paid to play full time. (Allot has to happen between now & then, but I think it will come about.)
(Edited for my terrible spelling)
So why bother having refs?
Players blame the refs.
The refs blame the rules.
The rulemakers blame players for pushing the rules.
And everyone blames the promoters for being money-grubbing selfish *******s. Or so it seems lately.
Point is that the buck stops somewhere, and it's everywhere. It seems to me that cheating is in integral part of paintball now, and yo can only 'win' if you're willing to 'cheat' to do it. Perhaps this is the one thing preventing paintball from becoming a sport, the fact that we're not all willing to cross that line yet lke they do in other pro sports. Honor in the game was an integral part of it becasue we hide from our opponents, and there's a trust point that your opponent, who's hiding, will call a hit.
I'm investing in armor to protect myself from getting spiked when my opponent slides under my air bunker. If people push the rules, that will eventually be the end result.
-Tyger
I want to really focus on that last sentence there, becasue EVERYONE is more eager to affix blame than to address the problems.
Players blame the refs.
The refs blame the rules.
The rulemakers blame players for pushing the rules.
And everyone blames the promoters for being money-grubbing selfish *******s. Or so it seems lately.
Point is that the buck stops somewhere, and it's everywhere. It seems to me that cheating is in integral part of paintball now, and yo can only 'win' if you're willing to 'cheat' to do it. Perhaps this is the one thing preventing paintball from becoming a sport, the fact that we're not all willing to cross that line yet lke they do in other pro sports. Honor in the game was an integral part of it becasue we hide from our opponents, and there's a trust point that your opponent, who's hiding, will call a hit.
I'm investing in armor to protect myself from getting spiked when my opponent slides under my air bunker. If people push the rules, that will eventually be the end result.
-Tyger
It seems to me after reading coverage and forums all over the place recently on this subject that we aren't lacking refs or marshalls. They just have no guts. We need marshalls who whip name-player's armband off and toss him out of the tournament. Then, if they hear a peep other than "Yes sir, sorry sir." They start tossing teammates. They've got to be able to power trip a little, or they're impotent. Hire off-duty police officers who play, and you'll get straight in no time.
The reason y all these people are cheating is because they can if it wasnt do easy then it wouldnt happen. Now for the ones that walk out onto the field intending on cheating we just need to suspend them from tournys for a little while because not only do they ruin the game but they also make people want to break other rules like blatantly over shooting the cheater (i've done that to) or worse because i know that iam not gonna let any one cheat there way into taking my money in tourniment fees
Alternatively, we need professional referees / marshals who wouldn't know LaSoya from "Lasagna" to marshal, and you can avoid the entire "Star Struck" aspect all together. But that costs money, yes?
-Tyger
TYGER please build me an armour also
Sport growth and time will then pay for the unbiased referees. Bottom line is the cheating will always occur regardless of the level of reffing, it is part of every sport at every level. Write or wrong, those in search for any other answers will never find them because this is a reality.
This topic is played out and it is like a broken record and there will be always those dissatisfied with whatever current marshaling system may be in place. Everyone can complaint and talk about it until they run out of saliva. I strongly suggest that you don’t accept it, just prepare your team to deal with it because this issue will never change nor it will fade out from our sport, at best better controlled.
It is not about being negative is about being realistic.
Best Regards
Rico
Sport growth and time will then pay for the unbiased referees. Bottom line is the cheating will always occur regardless of the level of reffing, it is part of every sport at every level. Write or wrong, those in search for any other answers will never find them because this is a reality.
This topic is played out and it is like a broken record and there will be always those dissatisfied with whatever current marshaling system may be in place. Everyone can complaint and talk about it until they run out of saliva. I strongly suggest that you don’t accept it, just prepare your team to deal with it because this issue will never change nor it will fade out from our sport, at best better controlled.
It is not about being negative is about being realistic.
Best Regards
Rico
Plastic or metal armour?
I have solutions, but nobody likes them becasue they're VERY hardcore.
-Tyger
Ok, then let's all, as rec AND tournament players, CONTROL IT! Dammit! Enough talking about it, let's make solutions that ACTUALLY work for EVERYONE.
I have solutions, but nobody likes them becasue they're VERY hardcore.
-Tyger
Star struck??? Are there actually people out there so weak that they would be influenced on field by the fact some guys name is printed in a mag occasionally?
Because that is what we seem to be talking about here.. not how good a player they are, not wether they cheat or not, but how famous they are...
In that case, I volunteer to marshal at these tops events coz to be honest I couldn't give two f*cks who these people are, and I think if you look around you'll find a lot of other people don't either.
To some extent Robbo got near this in his "Out with the old..." article. The new ballers coming in really don't care about the 'old-timers'. Not intended as an insult but just, i think, a comment on perception. It seems a lot of these new players are young, and just want to play ball. By the time some of them make it to Pro level La Soya and his like will be history and he'll be looked upon as I a guy who "used to be good in his day, but pfft, I'm better". The young are like that...
So, give it year or two and you'll have the player/marshalls you want without doing anything at all... because they'll be guys around who couldn't give a sh*t how many guys you bunkered, who you play for, or how big you think you are.. that armbands coming off.
Urban
Urb....if only things were that simple.
As a matter of fact, the young players are the ones who look up to someone. Not only in paintball, but in any sport in the world. Young kids want to be like their heroes from the NFL/NBA/FA/whatever. Put them in the same room or field as their idols, and they turn into dribbling idiots doing not a lot more than dribble and say yes sir...
If you want good refs, they will most likely be older guys (just like they are in 99.99% of other sports). They are the ones who do not look up to the stars of the game, because they have no aspirations of attaining that level (when was the last time you heard a 60 year old say 'when I grow up, I want to be like Michael Jordan'?). I'd say having young refs is a recipe for disaster.
In my vision, the ideal ref would be at least thirty years old, would have had playing experience (so he'd know what to look for), have proper and solid backing from some form of federation, and would receive constant training and courses. Just like other sports really....
As a matter of fact, the young players are the ones who look up to someone. Not only in paintball, but in any sport in the world. Young kids want to be like their heroes from the NFL/NBA/FA/whatever. Put them in the same room or field as their idols, and they turn into dribbling idiots doing not a lot more than dribble and say yes sir...
If you want good refs, they will most likely be older guys (just like they are in 99.99% of other sports). They are the ones who do not look up to the stars of the game, because they have no aspirations of attaining that level (when was the last time you heard a 60 year old say 'when I grow up, I want to be like Michael Jordan'?). I'd say having young refs is a recipe for disaster.
In my vision, the ideal ref would be at least thirty years old, would have had playing experience (so he'd know what to look for), have proper and solid backing from some form of federation, and would receive constant training and courses. Just like other sports really....