Are Jt Masks Getting Banned????

[RoryM]

If we first ask ourselves why manufacturers are now putting chin straps on goggles, I think therin lies the answer as to why they are there. Rates of fire and the confined space we now play in have changed the demands we put on goggles in the modern game, and the need for greater protection is being addressed by most companies.

If a promoters liability to the insurance company is to ensure that all goggles worn by participants are to the maunfactures original design (peaks are removable, and that is an understood part of the overall design of pretty much all goggles as a peak privides no distinct protection overall).

Being worn to the manufactured design therfore gives the insurers some comfort that the goggles provide minimal risk to them and that they will not be liable for any claims resulting from eye injury. Therefore the promoter becomes responsible that all goggles worn for play are in this state.

So, there is a possibility that in the future, chin straps will be compulsory, if/when it does - deal with it!

 

[Hatts]

Interesting how the tournaments somehow get landed with the blame for the manufacturers deciding to put additional safety devices on their equipment...

Regardless of what disclaimer you sign according to UK law you can not sign away your rights. The best the disclaimer does is give the promoter of an event or a site operator a remote chance of defending themselves in court when some numb-nuts decides he can make a claim against them... usually for his own stupidity. unfortunately you can't legislate against that either...

It is a promoters responsibility to the insurance company to ensure that they encourage participants to take all necessary safety precautions otherwise they don't get insurance.

It is the insurance companies that insist on full face and ear protection. Not the UKPSF, not the home office or the law courts... the insurance companies.

Of course there is equally no legal requirement whatsoever for a promoter or organiser to even bother taking out public liability insurance. Then when some half wit wants to go all "no-win, no fee" on their ass they just sign everything over to their wife and declare themselves bankrupt... so instead of your £50K payout you get 5p a month for the rest of your life for losing your eye.

My obligation as an event promoter and organiser is to the insurance company and not to the player. That obligation is that I must take all reasonable measures to reduce the possibility of a claim wherever possible.

The taking of insurance is me addressing my "moral" obligation to the player, but certainly not my "legal" obligation because I don't have one.

This means that in the rules it states that the protective equipment must not be modified from the manufacturers original supply.

It's the manufacturers of the equipment who have determined the type and method of protection that is specifically designed for paintball. Not the series promoters or organisers so why rag on our case?

Round 1 of the PA is this Sunday. If the insurance company ring me up this Friday and say your insurance is invalid unless everyone is wearing full head-to-toe kevlar body armour in pink... guess what's going to happen?

Personally I couldn't give a rats a$$ if your regard for your own personal safety is non existent, equally if you're such a half wit that you do you lose an eye through your own stupidity... but hey... at least you looked cool while you were doing it....

 

[RoryM]

so, hypothetically kids, if the insurers said chin straps compulsory now, what you gonna do?

No prizes afraid, but I think we all know the answer here...

 

[jonhaley]

Personally I don't see it as a bad thing. If players want to have markers that can regularly do 15-20bps without effort then the equipment needs to move with the times.

I was at Dartford when a player tripped and lost his goggles. Even someone with very quick reflexes is likely to take 1 second to absorb that information and react appropriately i.e. stop shooting. That means 15-20 opportunitites to blind the guy.

Some people say "its a dangerous sport - live with the risks" The thing is that all sports, even dangerous ones, set limits of acceptable risks. The question is where the governing bodies set those limits. In my opinion compulsory chin straps would not be an absurd reaction to the game as it is today. And, if thats what the insurance industry demands then nobody should blame any of the event organisers for insisting on it.

 

[ANDY MEERCATS]

If the insurance company ring me up this Friday and say your insurance is invalid unless everyone is wearing full head-to-toe kevlar body armour in pink... guess what's going to happen?

Do we have to have pink ???

If thats what it takes to get on the field then pass the pink stuff and lets play

 

[Mike (Exodus)]

Given that Flex 7s have been sold with and without straps, how easy is it to tell the difference between those that have been chopped and those that haven't? Are the new ones different to the older models in some way?

 

[Russell Smith]

Originally posted by Mike (Exodus)
Given that Flex 7s have been sold with and without straps, Are the new ones different to the older models in some way?

No



Russ

 

[Intheno]

Question: If the insurance company ring me up this Friday and say your insurance is invalid unless everyone is wearing full head-to-toe kevlar body armour in pink... guess what's going to happen?
Answer 1: You are going to cancel the event because everyone pulled out
Answer 2: you are going to find another insurance agent at short notice.
Answer 3: you would ignore them
(you wouldn't seriously think you had enough sway to make that happen, would you?)

Anyway - Chin straps rock, you are all gay.

You will all be totally uncool without chin-straps next year. You heard it here first. This time next year you will mock the naked-chinned newbs.

 

[Gyroscope]

And he shall be known by the strip of razor burn beneath his chin...

 

[angel 2_0 temp]

OK so "you" dont want to wear chin strap's fine.

it's "your" personnel safety fine.

"you" want to take the risk fine.

"you" want to look cool fine.

so your playing your mask comes off cos you dont have a chin strap on "im" shooting at you and hit "your" face and you lose an eye. "I" have to live with that for the rest of my life even if it was "your" fault!!!!

all i can say is......

In the grand scheme of thing's you cant even see the strap. Plus it's not just JT a mate has a proto and that has a chin strap. Just take a few seconds to really think how it effect's every one else not just yourself. I hate my strap it rub's on my chin but i still wear it out of respect of other players.

now flame away if you wish