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IL=Tim the Yank

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Skeet said:
Moreover, it is actually illegal, to use the .50BMG round (that the Barratt fires) on soft targets, as it is classed as an Anti tank round, under the Geneva Convention
No disrespect intended Skeet. You obviously know what you're talking about when it comes to shooting but this myth has been so repeated that even people in the military beleive it. I specifically asked this question at the USMC Carlos Hathcock Range at Camp Lejeune and was told it's not true.

The Geneva Conventions prohibit weapons that cause "unnecessary suffering or superfluous injury." US Naval Warfare Publication 1-14M 9.1.1 specifically states that “Use of .50 caliber weapons against individual enemy combatants does not constitute a violation of this proscription against unnecessary suffering or superfluous injury.” The US Army Field Manual 27-10 uses language from the Geneva Conventions and in Chapter 2, Section III covers "Forbidden Means of Waging Warfare." It says "It is especially forbidden... to employ arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering." I can't see anyone saying a .50BMG round causes unnecessary suffering as most everybody hit by one is dead.

I concede maybe UK lawyers interpret the Conventions differently but its not just the US that interprets it this way. Chapter 16 Section 4c of the Dutch army manual VS 2-1351 (field manual for officers and NCOs), .50 caliber weaponry is lawful for use against “troops on foot, both in cover and in the open”.

At the end of the day its all semantics because soldiers will still shoot troops w/ a .50 and just say I was aiming at the equipment they were wearing but the fact is its not illegal under international law.

And while we're at it, FM 27-10 also says: "The use of weapons which employ fire, such as tracer ammunition, flamethrowers, napalm and other incendiary agents, against targets requiring their use is not violative of international law. They should not, however, be employed in such a way as to cause unnecessary suffering to individuals."
 

We-kill-suckers

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Anyway, what kind of damage would a 50.cal gun do to a average person? As an Ak 7.62 could blow someones arm off apparently ( it says so in bravo two zero :p ) so this bullet surely would, blow someone up?
 

IL=Tim the Yank

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dr.strangelove said:
Are you kidding me?!?! The Canadian army has snipers?!
:) They do and they were doing some damage in Afghanistan. A segment of the Canadian population got all upset when a newspaper did a report on them. They couldn't believe that their soldeiers were actually...gasp...killing people.
 
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The report says this blokes from 3 Para, which is based in colchester up Mersea Road, my local town.

Ive probably been beaten seven shades of ****e out of by him in a bar at some point.

Theyre nice like that.
 

chrismrgn

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We-kill-suckers said:
Actually it was on a dcct range with an SA80 in the prone position!
DCCT ranges are quite good fun but nothing beats actually doing it on a little range outdoors, they just look so funny! I ended up with about a 20mm grouping with an SA80 A2 because I am used to shooting at about 200-300 yards, so it seemed really close and ez to me lol.

Skeet, i would love to get into target shooting on my own and not with the Cadets that i do with school, it wouldnt require me buying a rifle would it? Could i hire one or something from the local range?
 

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The most shocking thing is it took 2 people to write that article, even with the unecessary 'padding' at the end, it's not even long. It must be said, the Sun is sh!te, always has been, always will be while that pr!cks running it. Same goes for the times; always a right-wing slant and not even bothered to be covert about it.

I've got such an urge to play Raven Shield now... mmm thermal imagers :D
 

Skeet

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IL=Tim the Yank said:
No disrespect intended Skeet. You obviously know what you're talking about when it comes to shooting but this myth has been so repeated that even people in the military beleive it. I specifically asked this question at the USMC Carlos Hathcock Range at Camp Lejeune and was told it's not true.

The Geneva Conventions prohibit weapons that cause "unnecessary suffering or superfluous injury." US Naval Warfare Publication 1-14M 9.1.1 specifically states that “Use of .50 caliber weapons against individual enemy combatants does not constitute a violation of this proscription against unnecessary suffering or superfluous injury.” The US Army Field Manual 27-10 uses language from the Geneva Conventions and in Chapter 2, Section III covers "Forbidden Means of Waging Warfare." It says "It is especially forbidden... to employ arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering." I can't see anyone saying a .50BMG round causes unnecessary suffering as most everybody hit by one is dead.

I concede maybe UK lawyers interpret the Conventions differently but its not just the US that interprets it this way. Chapter 16 Section 4c of the Dutch army manual VS 2-1351 (field manual for officers and NCOs), .50 caliber weaponry is lawful for use against “troops on foot, both in cover and in the open”.

At the end of the day its all semantics because soldiers will still shoot troops w/ a .50 and just say I was aiming at the equipment they were wearing but the fact is its not illegal under international law.

And while we're at it, FM 27-10 also says: "The use of weapons which employ fire, such as tracer ammunition, flamethrowers, napalm and other incendiary agents, against targets requiring their use is not violative of international law. They should not, however, be employed in such a way as to cause unnecessary suffering to individuals."
Well...I only read it somewhere, so it looks like your right.
It's hard to know what to believe and what not to really...as you say, if a soldier has a target and a .50 cal...he is gonna use it isnt he!!

Then of course "all's fair in love and war"!

I have a picture of what a 30-30 rifle round did to someones head, basicaly split it down teh middle...these guns develop enourmous muzzle energies...2-4000 ftlb...which makes our measly 12ftlb almost insignificant...however....50BMG shooters are used to around 13000 ftlb's and have loaded some up to teh highest recorded was around 50,000 ftlb of energy...which is just silly really.

Pretty much, if you get hit anywhere by a 50 cal, your buggered...it will take off any limbs, and if it hits near the torso, the shock factor of it, will be enough to kll you or tear you apart.

Chris...check out this link... http://www.nsra.co.uk/nsra/nsra_frame.htm
It will help you find NSRA rifle clubs near you.

If you approach a club, they will require you to fill out a form...and all of your visits will be recorded, you will have to be there at least 3-6 months (law says 3) before you will be allowed to apply for an FAC to buy a rifle to us there...they all have club rifles that you can use, but your own jacket and sling are a good idea.
 

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Revolt said:
americas dumbest criminals ^_^ there some was stupid american sitting in his front garden chair with a gun in his hand.......

sniper shot the gun out his hand from 400 yards ;p ok so its not as far as that british sniper, but still, it was a tiny handgun lol

first thing the guy said was "jesus christ what a shot" but 900 yards :| crazy ;/
http://videos.humpingfrog.com/15384/2006/08/swat-sniper-shoots-a-gun-out-of-a-suspects-hand.html

Not sure if this is the same incident. Cracking shot!!!