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Nick Brockdorff said:
Beaker

You lost me now.... I took your first post to mean that you too believe that the promoters should do more to get spectators... and now you seem to be saying the opposite?

Having a crowd that largely consists paintballers does not exclude the benefits you get from casual "walkers by" to get fascinated by what they see - the two are not mutually exclusive.

Do you really think it has to be either/or?

Anyway... the initial post I responded to, I read as meaning the promoters should work towards getting more spectators that pay admission... and I honestly don't see that happening, because either the spectators are paintballers that are already there (or travelling a short way to have a look)... or they are people that just happen by.... and none of them will be too keen on paying admission.

Nick
I'm not saying they shouldn't at all. I'm saying that to say the stands at events are populated by anyone other than existing ballers or those related to them is such a small percentage, that our efforts are often in (relative) vain. And then you go and slap a charge on spectating like in HB and suddenly what's the point of having it in a public place in the first instance.

I don't think Paris, if what I've heard of is true, will get hardly any outside spectators, so what's the point of having it there?
 

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I don't think Paris, if what I've heard of is true, will get hardly any outside spectators, so what's the point of having it there?
If nobody from outside paintball spectates games at the event, the venue location is ofcourse completely irrelevant... as long as it caters for the needs of the players.

- I'm not sure a change of venue would see a drop in the cost for the players though ;)... so by all means, the MS can put us adjacent to Eurodisney if they want.

What have you heard BTW? - why is it not the same venue as last year, which was great both for the ballers and for outside spectators?

Nick
 

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Rumour is we're back over the road in the original car park, so away from the main drag, on the way to nowhere and the wrong side of a dual carraigeway with no easy means of crossing it.

Upside is XL turf, which I love.
 
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Mark Toye-Nexus said:
True Nick - if you were shooting X's at each other
Yep, I think that if nothing else, we can safely say that if you are not shooting paintballs, then it's not Paintball.
 

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Yep, I think that if nothing else, we can safely say that if you are not shooting paintballs, then it's not Paintball.
Have to disagree - as would any team that practices with Reballs..... but whatever... it's not really that important to the central point - of defining the sport.

Nick
 
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Nick Brockdorff said:
Have to disagree - as would any team that practices with Reballs..... but whatever... it's not really that important to the central point - of defining the sport.

Nick
You can disagree all you like, you're wrong.:p
 

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Well Pete

My point is this:

Having one unified format that is generally adhered to by all, will automatically help relieve the general confusíon in the public about what paintball is.

No other team sport is as fragmented as paintball, and that creates several problems:

1) When we can't even define ourselves - how can we hope to define the sport to tv audiences?

2) When various entities are competing with eachother for tv time, on products that are entirely different, if negates part of the positive effects such tv coverage could have on the sport as a whole.

3) For paintball to truly gain growth from tv exposure, viewers have to be presented with the same product over and over again.... not one thing one show - and another the next.

To me this is basic marketing... How on earth can you expect to market a product you don't even know yourself what is?

The problem I see is, that all the many benefits paintball as a whole could derive from being on tv, are to a great extent lost as long as the sport is as fragmented as it is.

... My interest in this debate is not whether 10 teams make it to tv on ESPN2 and thus end up with endorsements from outside sponsors... that is of little consequence to the sport as a whole... what DOES matter, is the impact that regular tv exposure of paintball may (or may not) have on the sport.

There is a reason most every other sport has gotten rid of their segmentation in the past (well - except for Rugby ;)).... and it baffles me that nobody in paintball has learned from that yet.

Nick
 

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Nick Brockdorff said:
Well Pete

My point is this:

Having one unified format that is generally adhered to by all, will automatically help relieve the general confusíon in the public about what paintball is.

No other team sport is as fragmented as paintball, and that creates several problems:

1) When we can't even define ourselves - how can we hope to define the sport to tv audiences?

2) When .............



.... and it baffles me that nobody in paintball has learned from that yet.

Nick

Hmmmmm..... pondering..........I'll get back to ya :)