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On the other side of the coin, Nick, maybe competiton between them could be a good thing for paintball. One side dies and fades away via less ratings - 'natural selection' reveals the superior. If a single method is chosen, and it dosn't work out right/as perceived, then it dies and dies alone.
 

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Nick Brockdorff said:
Well Pete

My point is this:

Having one unified format that is generally adhered to by all, will automatically help relieve the general confusíon in the public about what paintball is.

No other team sport is as fragmented as paintball
Poppycock. Almost every sport if fragmanted. How about racing? Surely the viewers must be incredibly confused between NASCAR, NHRA, Formula 1, and go-carts. Football, basketball, soccer, the other football, they are all different depending on where they are played. There's some fairly confusing differences between American basketball and Olympic basketball.

Everything has variations. You don't play volleyball in your back yard the same way they play volleyball on TV - EITHER way they play volleyball on TV. It's not like volleyball is 2 people ona sand court OR 6 people on a wood court, it's both.

Sports have a unifying concept. Racing is be faster than the other guy. Basketball isget theball through the hoop. Volleyball is get the ball over the net. Paintball is shoot the other guy.

Variety in sports is normal. It's a good thing. Variety in paintball is not a problem.
 

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Chicago said:
Poppycock. Almost every sport if fragmanted. How about racing? Surely the viewers must be incredibly confused between NASCAR, NHRA, Formula 1, and go-carts. Football, basketball, soccer, the other football, they are all different depending on where they are played. There's some fairly confusing differences between American basketball and Olympic basketball.

Everything has variations. You don't play volleyball in your back yard the same way they play volleyball on TV - EITHER way they play volleyball on TV. It's not like volleyball is 2 people ona sand court OR 6 people on a wood court, it's both.

Sports have a unifying concept. Racing is be faster than the other guy. Basketball isget theball through the hoop. Volleyball is get the ball over the net. Paintball is shoot the other guy.

Variety in sports is normal. It's a good thing. Variety in paintball is not a problem.
What he said - I just couldn't be bothered to type it.

Also Chi, you never returned my PM, shame on you...
 

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Poppycock. Almost every sport if fragmanted. How about racing? Surely the viewers must be incredibly confused between NASCAR, NHRA, Formula 1, and go-carts. Football, basketball, soccer, the other football, they are all different depending on where they are played. There's some fairly confusing differences between American basketball and Olympic basketball.
First of all, motorsports is not a valid example, as it is not a team sport..... and even so, the sport is almost always the same (except for weird hybrid formats like Le Mans): "1 guy driving 1 car for x distance, following x route, and be the fastest one".

Secondly, although there are variations between college football/basketball/whatever - and the Pros... they are still playing the same game with the same number of people on the field (PLEASE don't mention canadian football - nobody but the canadians care ;)).

How do you think Basketball would fare if college suddenly decided to play the game with 4 players on-field - or what would the effects to Football be if college decided to change the game to "QB can't throw the ball forward even when in the pocket"?

Those are the kind of substantial differences that we are apparently happy to be faced with in paintball.

Bla. bla. bla. "backyard games".... not relevant dude.... backyard basket is what we in paintball call rec.ball, and is not relevant in this context.... and is not really something anyone is trying to get on tv in a serious way.

And, even if you do not agree with all that, paintball is an extremely different situation, compared to established tv sports.... The established sports have a historical, emotional and social meaning to most anyone, even if they never played the sport or are interested in it....... we on the other hand are TRYING to make the general population understand a sport they know next to nothing about, and it does NOT help in any way whatsoever, that we are not able to even decide what our sport is about.

Finally - do you really think that the mergers of leagues in football, hockey, etc. back in the day, were merely because people were bored... and that they had no real significance to the development of those sports since then?

Nick
 

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You have a strange concept of "substantial". Shoot the other guy before he shoots you. The only thing that changes in the "public facade" of the sport (tournaments) is the number of other guys and game time. Game time commonly changes between presentations in other sports, and changing the number of players isn't unheard of either - take volleyball for example. Or baseball - one half of the league has 9 players per team and one half has 10 (the designated hitter is the 10th guy). And that's in the SAME LEAGUE!

The only difference between us and other sports is that we're younger, so formats havn't settled down yet. Look in the early years of other sports and you'll note many of them were often played significantly differently than the way they are played now. They made significant changes, and I'll imagine going forward we'll make significant changes.

Beaker:

I honestly didn't know I had PM's enable and thus wasn't looking, so, uh, I'll go look now.
 

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If you happen to know what the best way to play paintball is, and can get other people to play it that way now, I'll be the first to support you.

Sports evolve. I don't think there's any shortcut around that process.
 
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Sports evolve. I don't think there's any shortcut around that process.
As a creationist I take issue with that and may have to kill you.