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Just to counter the whole thing about stands already being packed, I'd bet that most of those spectators are players already at the tournament and their friends/family. I just think maybe more effort could be put in to bring joe public to see a well run and exciting tournament.
 
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shamu said:
Baca -
1--So what counts as "paintball"?

2--If someone decides that 24 scenario games make more sense to present than Xball or 7man, is that any more or less valid a form of paintball than tournament ball?

3--Or is it 'real paintball' only if it's from NXL or NPPL? is it not 'real paintball' if it doesn't use "professional" players or has scripted elements?

4--I think the ultimate question is: do the people in charge care enough about the sport (and the long long-term benefits) not to whore it out to make a few buck as the next American Gladiators? Considering the history of --
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1--That is part of the equation, Whale. How easy is it to make changes, small and large, and claim no harm no foul unless or until there is a baseline. Obviously my principle interest is in Pball as Sport, not recreation. Plainly when the changes were made in Miami to accomodate ESPN no one expected it to turn out the way it did and just as plainly any change(s) ought to be carefully considered but prudence and TV and ratings and money don't seem to be terribly compatible to me.

2--s'okay with me but look at it this way: say some channel promotes a series of scenario games but when the show comes on it's actually some mix of paintball organized around stunts or physical challenges? Fine, it's still Pball (after a fashion) but are they still scenario games? And does anybody producing the shows care as long as they garner acceptable ratings?

3--if we're promoting Pball as Sport then obviously I think the current crop of the best players in the world are the ones who ought to be featured. If the only goal is to get Pball of some sort on TV and make a wheelbarrow full of cash then it hardly matters.

4--Hmm, let's start back in '96 shall we ...
 
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You lost me now.... I took your first post to mean that you too believe that the promoters should do more to get spectators... and now you seem to be saying the opposite?

Having a crowd that largely consists paintballers does not exclude the benefits you get from casual "walkers by" to get fascinated by what they see - the two are not mutually exclusive.

Do you really think it has to be either/or?

Anyway... the initial post I responded to, I read as meaning the promoters should work towards getting more spectators that pay admission... and I honestly don't see that happening, because either the spectators are paintballers that are already there (or travelling a short way to have a look)... or they are people that just happen by.... and none of them will be too keen on paying admission.

Nick
 
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Baca Loco said:
1--That is part of the equation, Whale. How easy is it to make changes, small and large, and claim no harm no foul unless or until there is a baseline. Obviously my principle interest is in Pball as Sport, not recreation. Plainly when the changes were made in Miami to accomodate ESPN no one expected it to turn out the way it did and just as plainly any change(s) ought to be carefully considered but prudence and TV and ratings and money don't seem to be terribly compatible to me.

2--s'okay with me but look at it this way: say some channel promotes a series of scenario games but when the show comes on it's actually some mix of paintball organized around stunts or physical challenges? Fine, it's still Pball (after a fashion) but are they still scenario games? And does anybody producing the shows care as long as they garner acceptable ratings?

3--if we're promoting Pball as Sport then obviously I think the current crop of the best players in the world are the ones who ought to be featured. If the only goal is to get Pball of some sort on TV and make a wheelbarrow full of cash then it hardly matters.

4--Hmm, let's start back in '96 shall we ...
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1. That was kind of my point. There is no baseline definition of what "paintball" is. So, while I'm sure everyone who plays it would say they can define "paintball", I would bet that the descriptions would vary as much as the three blind men describing the elephant.

2 & 3. Exactly. How much can paintball change before it becomes not-paintball? And do we really care if it's "paintball" or " sort-of paintball", as long as it's on TV? I care but I'm a nobody.

To get back to the point of this thread - I guess would be 'do the SP triumverate care more about "paintball" or making money?'
 
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The SP triumvirate absolutely positively care more about the money.


Paintball definition:

"A game where participants attempt to mark each other with breakable paint capsules shot from compressed air guns."

That wasn't hard at all. :)
 
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Paintball definition:

"A game where participants attempt to mark each other with breakable paint capsules shot from compressed air guns."

That wasn't hard at all
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So - if you do a tv show shooting reballs - it's not paintball?

Or if you use CO2 - it's not paintball?

Or if you carry a paintball gun and occasionally shoot at the other participants - but the object of the game is to knock over the 10 giant bowling pins while riding the pink tricycle wearing a ballarina outfit.... it's still paintball?

;)

Shamu is right - our game is only defined in so far as each competing organisation chooses to define it - and as we have seen in recent years with the emergence of X-Ball, you can rapidly change that definition to suit your purpose.

I think it would be a very important step for paintball, if the game was defined a little beyond what you suggest... for instance, alianating the entire rec community in our "definition" would be a good thing for the sports markedability to the broad public (albeit temporarily be catastrophic for business for most manufacturers ;))

The mere fact that every individual has a different oppinion of what paintball "is" - is at the heart of our problem in terms of getting on tv - and be succesfull at it..... When a tv exec. asks what paintball is, he will get a variety of answers, depending on who he talks to... and that leaves very little optimism on his part, when comtemplating future ratings.

We should be able to say: "Paintball is a 5-man game, played in an arena setting with inflatable bunkers on a field that is 150x100 feet - and the object of the game is to eliminate the other team".

Once the WHOLE paintball community agreed with such a definition (or whatever one ended up being the concencous).... we would have a heck of an easier time getting paintball on tv with success.

Nick
 
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I tell ya what and what I say may well be inappropriate coz I've only skim read these posts, we may not able to define what Paintball is now but I can tell ya what the true definition of Paintball is gonna be :-

It's whatever is shown on mainstream TV as a serious and extended production.
We will all shuffle into conformity behind it :)
 
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