so who are you and what team are you on? Or is the annonimity neccessary for you to post on here?
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American Ams are better than European Am Teams
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Sam, I am afraid 'politics' keeps our man from revealing his true identity.Originally posted by sjt19
so who are you and what team are you on? Or is the annonimity neccessary for you to post on here?
sam
I don't think Mr Vannes is gonna be in any sort of a hurry to de-cloak just yet
Just figure Bob is an amateur paintball anarchist who enjoys lobbing the occasional "bomb" in his spare time.Originally posted by sjt19
Am just curious as to why he is stirring in the manner in which he is posting. Does he have some kind of agenda?
sam
And what possible sort of agenda could he have?
And could you explain how who he plays for and at what level impacts anything he says?
For example, is Nick any less wrong cause he's a seasoned pro?
Are you not allowed to have an opinion about anything unless you have firsthand on-field experience?
Help me out here, Sam
And Bob, the new sig line is probably uncalled for but at least it's brief
It doesn't in any way mate, i was just interested, guess you could say im inquisitive!
That ok?
sam
sjt19 - Curiosity is good.
Nick Brockdorff - I'm scared of lots of things. Fat chicks top the list. You don't even rank.
Baca Loco - An anarchist? My mom would be so proud. I am a believer in first hand experience and in my younger years I used to try to back up posts by letting people know where I've played. I've outgrown that.
Nick Brockdorff - I'm scared of lots of things. Fat chicks top the list. You don't even rank.
Baca Loco - An anarchist? My mom would be so proud. I am a believer in first hand experience and in my younger years I used to try to back up posts by letting people know where I've played. I've outgrown that.
I'll drop the whole thread once Nick acknowledges that his original post (reprinted above for you ducklings blessed only with a short term memory) was simply a pathetic plea for attention.
A top 12 (but not top 5) Am A team did go over and win your biggest event. In fact one American team has won every Millenium Am A event Americans teams have entered.
Right now the whole argument has been over why US teams are better. Sponsorship, competition, practice, dedication, talent pool and no language barrier are all great reasons why US teams still dominate, but how anyone that doesn't have a head full of chemicals could post the above ramblings is beyond me.
Read my lips....
As the results show for the last two seasons, Check It / Gateway is the only US Am team to win in Europe. 3 events entered, 3 events won. They are a great team, no doubt about it, but if you look at the rest of the Am / Am A results, they're pretty clear:
2002
Trauma - 5th, 9th, 8th
Bushwackers - 17th, 10th
Adrenalin - 5th
Nemesis - 7th
Element - 15th
2003
Evil Factory - 9th
Not one other US Am team has won in the last two seasons. Evil in Toulouse finished behind 7 Euro teams. Last I heard, Trauma was a pretty damn good Am team last year and didn't place higher than 5th. Bushwackers are Pro this year, but didn't place higher than 10th last year. And of the rest, there isn't anyone higher than 5th.
Because one Am team comes over and does well doesn't mean that they're all superior to the teams playing over here. And this is not intended to take anything away from Gateway because they are awesome. But maybe their game is just more suited to playing here, because as you said, they're a top 12 team in the US. And as Takedown from Gateway stated, they didn't exactly breeze through the field without breaking a sweat. They worked for it.
Until there are multiple US Am teams playing every event, and you have the results that show that they dominate, you can't really say that one team represents them all. Now I don't agree with everything Nick has said, but I do agree that the guys over here can hold their own. The only way to prove him wrong is to get more teams over here.
Um, is this one of those "fuzzy math" statements? You may want to check your abacus one more time, hoss.
As the results show for the last two seasons, Check It / Gateway is the only US Am team to win in Europe. 3 events entered, 3 events won. They are a great team, no doubt about it, but if you look at the rest of the Am / Am A results, they're pretty clear:
2002
Trauma - 5th, 9th, 8th
Bushwackers - 17th, 10th
Adrenalin - 5th
Nemesis - 7th
Element - 15th
2003
Evil Factory - 9th
Not one other US Am team has won in the last two seasons. Evil in Toulouse finished behind 7 Euro teams. Last I heard, Trauma was a pretty damn good Am team last year and didn't place higher than 5th. Bushwackers are Pro this year, but didn't place higher than 10th last year. And of the rest, there isn't anyone higher than 5th.
Because one Am team comes over and does well doesn't mean that they're all superior to the teams playing over here. And this is not intended to take anything away from Gateway because they are awesome. But maybe their game is just more suited to playing here, because as you said, they're a top 12 team in the US. And as Takedown from Gateway stated, they didn't exactly breeze through the field without breaking a sweat. They worked for it.
Until there are multiple US Am teams playing every event, and you have the results that show that they dominate, you can't really say that one team represents them all. Now I don't agree with everything Nick has said, but I do agree that the guys over here can hold their own. The only way to prove him wrong is to get more teams over here.
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