American Ams are better than European Am Teams

[cjansen]

The point about the autographs was about promotion by sponsors like they do for Dynasty or Avalanche, as in a scheduled sit down, not that nobody asks you guys to do it. And it was in no way a shot at anyone, etc. etc., but simply that they don't hype players the same way over here.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Bobvannes
Who Robbo promotes has nothing to do with Nick's rambling about equality. Robbo promotes and represents his own team well. He also idolizes the Russians and recognizes that American teams are ahead of the Europan ones.

Nick's claiming that one European team gave them a good game and therefor Am equality is in sight. That's just gibberish.

Bob, I dunno about idolise but I do respect the hell out of them for what Sergei and they have achieved in terms of rolling back some technical fontiers.

What seems to have escaped our friend above is the fact, the only reason I even mentioned American supremacy in this thread was because of Nick's initial assertion.

 

[Bobvannes]

That initial assertion is exactly why I started this thread. He said it will all be proven in Toulouse. Maybe I was initially wrong for doubting that and it was indeed proven there.

 

[cjansen]

For those who just tuned in....

Who Robbo promotes has nothing to do with Nick's rambling about equality. Robbo promotes and represents his own team well. He also idolizes the Russians and recognizes that American teams are ahead of the Europan ones.

Thanks for the update because I never would have guessed that. But his earlier post took off on a much broader subject, which was what I was addressing. Nick had nothing to do with it.

 

[Baca Loco]

While y'all insist on gnawing on this America vs. Euro nonsense it's completely irrelevant. And it's a division of your own creation. The only time you're united as "Euros" is when you're fighting the Great Satan. The rest of the time you got little use for most of the rest of your fellow Euros and ya'll know it. As soon as "Europe" is competing in the Olympics you can claim generic Euro status--and even then it will be essentially meaningless.
Half of this thread is filled with excuses why you can't compete and the rest is mostly, oh yeah, we can so.
Let's hear from all the Brit ballers who would rather have TonsTons win a Mil Series event than Dynasty. Right.

You'd do well to forget about where a team or a player comes from and start figuring out how they got to be as good as they are. The only reason y'all insist on making such a huge deal out the Americans this and the Americans that is 'cause most of ya got a huge chip on your shoulders. (I can hardly wait for the round of denials )
Should RL go out an win an event somewhere, sometime it won't be a victory for Euros; it'll be a victory for the group of guys who went out and won. And if Nexus pulls out a win sometime it won't elevate every other Brit baller.
You think America is cheering PaintballGateway's win in Toulouse? Hardly. The teams they will compete against next are concerned with sending them to the deadbox--nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't mean they don't respect the accomplishment but all you Euros seem to to hang your egos on somebody else's deeds or failures and it doesn't serve your interests if you plan on winning someday.

And Chris--it ain't a defeatist attitude--it's a self-delusional attitude.
If a player can't or won't honestly and critically assess their status they got no hope of ever being among the elite. And it don't matter what language they speak or what country they were born in.

 

[Robbo]

For those who just tuned in....

Originally posted by cjansen
Thanks for the update because I never would have guessed that. But his earlier post took off on a much broader subject, which was what I was addressing. Nick had nothing to do with it.

The post u r referring to dealt with the central issues of this thread, how can that be described as a 'much broader subject' ???

 

[paintballma]

Just wondering the level of sponsorship your Am players receive? Are they fully funded? Ours are, and so are the higher end Novs. Perhaps this is the difference. In Southern Cal, weather wise, we can practice year round, and they do. We also have fields available for weeknight practices, so perhaps it is the amount of time the players put in. The Dynasty kids play 3 or more times a week, every week. We do have local events that pay out well (ie. Pan Am 3 man gave IR3s for 2nd place, and typically other locals will pay cockers for 1st with and entry of usually 350-400 per 5 man team with usually 8-10 teams entering) this does allow those of us who are not fully funded to travel to the other events, when we do well locally. It does make it difficult to build a good Nov team when you find a good player, turn your back and a better funded team has snatched them away.

As a good will gesture I would love to have someone figure out a way to fund a Nov Euro team to a NPPL event, and we will volunteer to bring our Nov team to one of your events =)

 

[Urban]

Originally posted by paintballma
Just wondering the level of sponsorship your Am players receive? Are they fully funded? Ours are, and so are the higher end Novs. Perhaps this is the difference. In Southern Cal, weather wise, we can practice year round, and they do. We also have fields available for weeknight practices, so perhaps it is the amount of time the players put in. The Dynasty kids play 3 or more times a week, every week. We do have local events that pay out well (ie. Pan Am 3 man gave IR3s for 2nd place, and typically other locals will pay cockers for 1st with and entry of usually 350-400 per 5 man team with usually 8-10 teams entering) this does allow those of us who are not fully funded to travel to the other events, when we do well locally. It does make it difficult to build a good Nov team when you find a good player, turn your back and a better funded team has snatched them away.

As a good will gesture I would love to have someone figure out a way to fund a Nov Euro team to a NPPL event, and we will volunteer to bring our Nov team to one of your events =)

I don't think any single thing you have mentioned is the reason but I do think that when combined they will raise any teams game.

We're a nov, maybe AM-B team (we'll see next year). Not sure I should discuss our sponsorship deal but we pay for roughly 75% of the paint we use at tourneys and 100% of the paint we use for practice, at roughly $60 a box for tourneys and $45 for practice (we use cheaper paint for training to cut cost). We could training on week nights as we have our own field, and compressor (3000psi direct fills and 4500psi into dive tanks) but we couldn't afford the paint bill. Combine that with travel and accomodation costs. The last tournament I played, what you might call a local event with 40 teams, cost me approx $120.

Cost, facilities, frequency of play, and commitment are, I believe, the main issues why the gap exists.

And why would we want to come over and play you? Everything in this thread is telling me we'd get "romper stomped"

Urban

 

[shwoomie]

Originally posted by Urban
And why would we want to come over and play you? Everything in this thread is telling me we'd get "romper stomped"

Urban

well you could win and get the prices but i dont think that many of the euro novices and amB´s are willing to spend that much money for 5 cockers etc... its a grand idea to go play..say..nppl as novices but most of the time im sure we´d get our butts handed to us on a silver platter but true i dont know much about the level of play in the US novice category but id suspect the ass handing thing

what i would really like to see is that more "local" tournaments in eurpe would be givin markers and stuff to the best 3-4 in every category that way the teams would have something to seriously compete for and that might eb the thing that we lack here to close the gap on the US teams...i mean its far more interesting and demanding to play if there is something valuable and possible desireable at stake!

now dont get me wrong i enjoy winning as much as the next guy but the prices make it even more sweeter and a thing to want more thus enhancing the performance of the teams to an upper level thus the competition gets more interesting to watch even at the lovest levels and it could/will bring more interested sponsors to the sport and to all levels of play..

of course this is years away from happening but you cant judge a guy for dreaming

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by paintballma
Just wondering the level of sponsorship your Am players receive? Are they fully funded?

Mate, Very few Euro pro teams are fuly funded, let alone Euro Am's!

Originally posted by paintballma
Ours are, and so are the higher end Novs.

Novice in Europe means just that, they get very little support from sponsors on the whole

Originally posted by paintballma
Perhaps this is the difference.

Hmm.......hit......nail......head......

Originally posted by paintballma
In Southern Cal, weather wise, we can practice year round, and they do. We also have fields available for weeknight practices, so perhaps it is the amount of time the players put in.

Yeah, i am sure that that contributes, however not all of the top level Am and Pro teams in the states all live in Sunny So Cal, what bout the ones who live in colder areas?

Originally posted by paintballma
The Dynasty kids play 3 or more times a week, every week

Hmm....with the exeption of the Russian Legion, how often do Euro Pro and Am teams practice? Ducklings, Cyclone, Malera, Powertip, Joy etc...how much training do you do? I know that not even Nexus train more than once a week together

Originally posted by paintballma
We do have local events that pay out well (ie. Pan Am 3 man gave IR3s for 2nd place, and typically other locals will pay cockers for 1st with and entry of usually 350-400 per 5 man team with usually 8-10 teams entering) this does allow those of us who are not fully funded to travel to the other events, when we do well locally.

Prizes for the Am and Pro teams in local events generally consist of T shirts and hats at the events locally that i play.

Paintballma, great post!

Sam