as I understand it, if the ref saw it go then it should not have been a 1-4-1 just an elimination,, if he did not see the hit but found it after the player has still been in the game then it should have been a 1-4-1.
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Nick, sorry mate you missed something
Nick
I am sorry to say, but you are so very wrong about one of your points
It may be me being tetchy but because its still hurts like hell, the reason we missed the extra time game against Menace and only started with 2 players was the positioning of that damn scoreboard that you thought was so good
It was 5 metres from one base ond over 50 from the other, coupled with the volume of music being turned up between ponits, it was impossible for us to hear the countdowns in the form of a dull beep which was emitted from the scoreboard
NOT THE SPEAKERS
If you are talking about the scoreboard working and facing the crowd so they could see it then yeh spot on, other than that it was a pointless peice of kit.
You may as well move it all the way over to the crowd side.
You could not even start to believe how angry I am about this, the excuse by the officials was that we were constant offenders for just making it to the start gate with seconds to spare.....nearly exploded at that one
Going onto the 1-4-1 rule now my veiws are (not in full)
The one4one rule imposed is ok we got 3 in Marseille and about 4 at this event, some are absolutely bad calls some are deserved, all come from playing on with unobvious hits for us, but thats the rule its zero tolerant.
But as Leigh stated the call should be with the ref and it should be consistant.
They will even out over time, my disapointment is that a player found with an obvious hit at game end or taking out 3 players still only gets the 1-4-1 at the time its found.....................ooops
Wiping is major infringement in my book and deserves 3-4-1 or loss of point
The rules just need tweaking and the other point I would like to make is that the Refs at the event get the backing and support of all the players from the start
Leigh is absolutely correct with his post getting clipped in the pot diving for a snake is crazy, but like a football manager I didnt actually see it though
I do know the head ref had issues with the event organiser taking refs from his field and leaving the field short which is a point for failure before you have even started reffing
We need the captains to get together and make there points so certain rules are changed or tweaked so they are as we want them, we are the paying customers after all
Thanks
Giles
Manchester Shockwave Captain
Nick
I am sorry to say, but you are so very wrong about one of your points
It may be me being tetchy but because its still hurts like hell, the reason we missed the extra time game against Menace and only started with 2 players was the positioning of that damn scoreboard that you thought was so good
It was 5 metres from one base ond over 50 from the other, coupled with the volume of music being turned up between ponits, it was impossible for us to hear the countdowns in the form of a dull beep which was emitted from the scoreboard
NOT THE SPEAKERS
If you are talking about the scoreboard working and facing the crowd so they could see it then yeh spot on, other than that it was a pointless peice of kit.
You may as well move it all the way over to the crowd side.
You could not even start to believe how angry I am about this, the excuse by the officials was that we were constant offenders for just making it to the start gate with seconds to spare.....nearly exploded at that one
Going onto the 1-4-1 rule now my veiws are (not in full)
The one4one rule imposed is ok we got 3 in Marseille and about 4 at this event, some are absolutely bad calls some are deserved, all come from playing on with unobvious hits for us, but thats the rule its zero tolerant.
But as Leigh stated the call should be with the ref and it should be consistant.
They will even out over time, my disapointment is that a player found with an obvious hit at game end or taking out 3 players still only gets the 1-4-1 at the time its found.....................ooops
Wiping is major infringement in my book and deserves 3-4-1 or loss of point
The rules just need tweaking and the other point I would like to make is that the Refs at the event get the backing and support of all the players from the start
Leigh is absolutely correct with his post getting clipped in the pot diving for a snake is crazy, but like a football manager I didnt actually see it though
I do know the head ref had issues with the event organiser taking refs from his field and leaving the field short which is a point for failure before you have even started reffing
We need the captains to get together and make there points so certain rules are changed or tweaked so they are as we want them, we are the paying customers after all
Thanks
Giles
Manchester Shockwave Captain
gotta say was gutted to see the shock extra time point go so wrong, agree 100% that it was impossible to hear the buzzer cos of the music, a couple of points (in other games) even got played with the music still on.
nexus seemed to get the rough end of some calls as did the tigers but what looked initially like a disaster for them was put into perspective when the two qualifiers from their group played out the final.
better luck next time to all the uk teams
nexus seemed to get the rough end of some calls as did the tigers but what looked initially like a disaster for them was put into perspective when the two qualifiers from their group played out the final.
better luck next time to all the uk teams
Leigh and Giles:
We are coming from two different perspectives here on the 141 issue.
To me, the 141 rule is not there to penalize a player that breaks a rule - but rather to make the game fair - by removing an extra player, when an eliminated player (or rather a player that OUGHT to have been eliminated) has been playing the game for a period of time.
That's exactly why I like the fact we have gotten rid of the whole issue of intent in the rules.... because it really doesn't matter if the player knew he was hit or not - he has been playing after he should have been eliminated, and thus his team incurrs a penalty.
Seems fair to me.
Now, I then agree that when a player is deemed to intentionally cheat, an even harsher penalty should be imposed, and that part is currently lacking in the rules.
As for the scoreboard - I was only speaking from a spectator point of view.... and yes, something should be done to ensure teams knew where they were on time... but until such solution is found, I suggest you guys do like you did in X-Ball.... have someone in the team assume the responsibility of keeping track of time
Nick
We are coming from two different perspectives here on the 141 issue.
To me, the 141 rule is not there to penalize a player that breaks a rule - but rather to make the game fair - by removing an extra player, when an eliminated player (or rather a player that OUGHT to have been eliminated) has been playing the game for a period of time.
That's exactly why I like the fact we have gotten rid of the whole issue of intent in the rules.... because it really doesn't matter if the player knew he was hit or not - he has been playing after he should have been eliminated, and thus his team incurrs a penalty.
Seems fair to me.
Now, I then agree that when a player is deemed to intentionally cheat, an even harsher penalty should be imposed, and that part is currently lacking in the rules.
As for the scoreboard - I was only speaking from a spectator point of view.... and yes, something should be done to ensure teams knew where they were on time... but until such solution is found, I suggest you guys do like you did in X-Ball.... have someone in the team assume the responsibility of keeping track of time
Nick
Marshalling is the hardest job you can imagine. Most of have done it and know how difficult it is.
We played pretty pants all weekend. So it would be unfair to blame our poor preformance on the Reffs. Having had the "spare" time to watch some games it became painfully clear that we need to address the marshalling issue properly.
That teams reffing teams stuff has to come to an end and a professional marshalling body HAS to be introduced.
The massive difference of abelity of Reffs on different fields was shocking. I could name expamples but you all have been there and seen it. So pointing fingers at a certain field or Marshal is not going to solve our problem.
The Millennium Series is surely trying to achieve the highest standard of Reffs possible but with drafting teams as reffs this will not happen.
We played pretty pants all weekend. So it would be unfair to blame our poor preformance on the Reffs. Having had the "spare" time to watch some games it became painfully clear that we need to address the marshalling issue properly.
That teams reffing teams stuff has to come to an end and a professional marshalling body HAS to be introduced.
The massive difference of abelity of Reffs on different fields was shocking. I could name expamples but you all have been there and seen it. So pointing fingers at a certain field or Marshal is not going to solve our problem.
The Millennium Series is surely trying to achieve the highest standard of Reffs possible but with drafting teams as reffs this will not happen.
Well i have to say that i thought that the Marshalling was the best i have had for a long time, i know i can only say this for the fields that i played, but it was really fair, and i am not just saying this beacause my team came 3rd as we had some 1-4-1's and even a 2-4-1 in the final. To think how many game's they Marshalled, they are bound to make a couple of mistake's, i know there is always call's for pro marshall's, but i think you should have Marshall's to do a morning of each event and other's to do the Afternoon, as when you need them to be at there best on the final afternoon when they are very tired as they have already done 2 an a half days!!!
So well done to the Marshall's!!
Twizz
Stealers AM.
So well done to the Marshall's!!
Twizz
Stealers AM.
OK Nick understood, so the 141 is only for a player with a hit he didnt know aboutNick Brockdorff said:Leigh and Giles:
We are coming from two different perspectives here on the 141 issue.
To me, the 141 rule is not there to penalize a player that breaks a rule - but rather to make the game fair - by removing an extra player, when an eliminated player (or rather a player that OUGHT to have been eliminated) has been playing the game for a period of time.
That's exactly why I like the fact we have gotten rid of the whole issue of intent in the rules.... because it really doesn't matter if the player knew he was hit or not - he has been playing after he should have been eliminated, and thus his team incurrs a penalty.
Seems fair to me.
Now, I then agree that when a player is deemed to intentionally cheat, an even harsher penalty should be imposed, and that part is currently lacking in the rules.
As for the scoreboard - I was only speaking from a spectator point of view.... and yes, something should be done to ensure teams knew where they were on time... but until such solution is found, I suggest you guys do like you did in X-Ball.... have someone in the team assume the responsibility of keeping track of time
Nick
. So what do we do when a player knows he is hit and plays on, or what do we do if a player plays on with obvious or unobvious hit and wins the game(or has a massive influence in the game). Its a tough question.We have a cost associated with travelling and having so many people pitting and coaching, as well as players makes it near impossible to have one for time, when surely the best solution is to have either a commentator like Marseille who calls the time down(best for the crowd as well)
The millenium could invest in some technology to assist or as they managed to have an official in our pit for the finals just to watch us why cant he call time
My belief is they just didnt give it thought about the time issue ?
The scoreboard had problems with sweeper cutting its wires, technical problems so we didnt really get into it all weekend
Giles
TwizzTwizz 69 said:
I totally agree with you, Marshalling is a very thankless task, bloody hard work and I believe the refs on the CPL field did an outstanding job of which I have told them personally and was the only person from the podium in CPL to do so........
I cant comment about any other refs/fields as I didnt watch them, Not sure I like your idea about morning and afternoon refs though
Just pro refs with enough refs and maybe a tower with the ultimate in it