15bps is ruddy, bloody, marvellous. The teams who dont take advantage are gonna be in a hell of a lot of trouble next round 
A Word / Poem On Ramping
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Either that or perfect "mugging-in-pot-up-time" runs
Heh, I can see it now, instead of ballers sitting round twiddling fingers over triggers, they'll be practicing opening pot lids with a flick and perfecting the sub-second fill.
Can you imagine it?
"Hey, nice pots there man, how many seconds can you get a fill in?"
Heh, I can see it now, instead of ballers sitting round twiddling fingers over triggers, they'll be practicing opening pot lids with a flick and perfecting the sub-second fill.
Can you imagine it?
"Hey, nice pots there man, how many seconds can you get a fill in?"
Good point, well made, but (and this is just IMHO) there is a difference between a bad investment/business choice, and doing something to destroy your customer base. See Bill Hicks comments on the Judas Priest court case for what I mean
oh dear
I wondered why all the back tracking was going on in the PA camp, and why I couldnt get a straight answer out of anyone. Now it all becomes clear.
For ramping to be legal there would have to be a change in the law, that is fact.
Whether the law was being broken before isnt relevent.
What is relevent is the manufacturers are being asked to produce an openly full auto board when the law forbids it.
A board with debounce that can be altered by the user, and when set up 'incorrectly' produces marginally more shots than trigger pulls is one thing, but one which enters full auto after 5bps is another entirely.
By law its a frikking UZI.
Any manufacturers who make these boards had better beware.
The 5 year holiday at her majesties pleasure mentioned earlier is a real consequence of producing a product designed to violate the law as it is written.
If some kid blinds another kid at 15bps, thats it...knee jerk reaction from the tree huggers and we can all kiss goodbye to paintball in the UK.
When it was first announced I was really encouraged by this proposed change in the law, I believe we need ramping to level the field.
But the PA/UKPSF?whoever hasnt actually got anything changed, instead they have tried to decieve many people into being guinnea pigs in their illegal experiment.
That might sound harsh, but the fact that 'mad dog' needed to do so much digging to uncover this, added to the PAs track record proves it in my mind.
I wondered why all the back tracking was going on in the PA camp, and why I couldnt get a straight answer out of anyone. Now it all becomes clear.
For ramping to be legal there would have to be a change in the law, that is fact.
Whether the law was being broken before isnt relevent.
What is relevent is the manufacturers are being asked to produce an openly full auto board when the law forbids it.
A board with debounce that can be altered by the user, and when set up 'incorrectly' produces marginally more shots than trigger pulls is one thing, but one which enters full auto after 5bps is another entirely.
By law its a frikking UZI.
Any manufacturers who make these boards had better beware.
The 5 year holiday at her majesties pleasure mentioned earlier is a real consequence of producing a product designed to violate the law as it is written.
If some kid blinds another kid at 15bps, thats it...knee jerk reaction from the tree huggers and we can all kiss goodbye to paintball in the UK.
When it was first announced I was really encouraged by this proposed change in the law, I believe we need ramping to level the field.
But the PA/UKPSF?whoever hasnt actually got anything changed, instead they have tried to decieve many people into being guinnea pigs in their illegal experiment.
That might sound harsh, but the fact that 'mad dog' needed to do so much digging to uncover this, added to the PAs track record proves it in my mind.
Great, now your gonna be able to shoot me in the back at 15bpsOriginally posted by Mario
15bps is ruddy, bloody, marvellous. The teams who dont take advantage are gonna be in a hell of a lot of trouble next round
oh dear
Who says? as far as I was aware it's never actually been settled what the 'law is' in regards to 1 shot 1 ball. I thought the HO were happy that we regulated ourselves?
It called the grey area of the law they dont wanna know about it til summat bad happens and then they will come down on paintball like a ton of bricks
they dont wanna know about it til summat bad happens and then they will come down on paintball like a ton of bricks
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3.2 Section 5 of the 1968 Act, as modified
by the Transfer of Functions (Prohibited
Weapons) Order 1968 and amended by the
1988 Act, the 1992 Regulations and the 1997
Acts makes it unlawful to manufacture, sell,
transfer, purchase, acquire or possess, without
the authority of the Secretary of State, any
prohibited weapon or ammunition. Those
weapons and ammunition which are
prohibited consist of:
i) any firearm which is so designed or
adapted that two or more missiles can be
successively discharged without repeated
pressure on the trigger (section 5(1)(a));
So :
a) did you read your own link before posting it?
and
b) suddenly we're back to "it's not legal"....UNLESS you consider that the paintball gun is not necessarily a firearm unless proved so under a court ruling......and that's where the paintball marker gets it's "get out clause" because there is specific legislation also in the report saying:
It should be noted that the majority but by
no means all guns powered by carbon dioxide
which discharge paint pellets and which are
used in adventure games are unlikely to cause
serious injury, nor were they designed as
“weapons”. As such, they should not be
considered to be “firearms”.
(And for the record, the report earlier suggests that Co2 propelled markers are treated the same as air propelled guns, before anyone picks up on that)
Nevertheless, while there is a legal 'Grey Area' which allows the ramping rule to go ahead without Home Office specific changes to the laws, that piece of legislation gives cause for concern without direct clarification being released, there still remains that sting : "Proved by a court of law".
So even after that, I'm staying here getting splinters in me arse....
Sorry to be a pain in the Ass here, but since you provided the link to the Home Office Guidance on Firearms, I read it..and:
3.2 Section 5 of the 1968 Act, as modified
by the Transfer of Functions (Prohibited
Weapons) Order 1968 and amended by the
1988 Act, the 1992 Regulations and the 1997
Acts makes it unlawful to manufacture, sell,
transfer, purchase, acquire or possess, without
the authority of the Secretary of State, any
prohibited weapon or ammunition. Those
weapons and ammunition which are
prohibited consist of:
i) any firearm which is so designed or
adapted that two or more missiles can be
successively discharged without repeated
pressure on the trigger (section 5(1)(a));
So :
a) did you read your own link before posting it?
and
b) suddenly we're back to "it's not legal"....UNLESS you consider that the paintball gun is not necessarily a firearm unless proved so under a court ruling......and that's where the paintball marker gets it's "get out clause" because there is specific legislation also in the report saying:
It should be noted that the majority but by
no means all guns powered by carbon dioxide
which discharge paint pellets and which are
used in adventure games are unlikely to cause
serious injury, nor were they designed as
“weapons”. As such, they should not be
considered to be “firearms”.
(And for the record, the report earlier suggests that Co2 propelled markers are treated the same as air propelled guns, before anyone picks up on that)
Nevertheless, while there is a legal 'Grey Area' which allows the ramping rule to go ahead without Home Office specific changes to the laws, that piece of legislation gives cause for concern without direct clarification being released, there still remains that sting : "Proved by a court of law".
So even after that, I'm staying here getting splinters in me arse....
Excuse me but give me more justice than that mate , you dont know me but I am more sensible than I write sometimes , and if I did do something like that I would go through Steve Bull and ask him first , as I have done all this to bring to light some of the dangers of trusting organisors or persons who think they are god of paintball.com
I hate being lied to to quote someone else he said this and I agree. HE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO USE THIS
(Sorry person asked me to edit his name, higher authorities told him to to, so I respect that and have removed it ) MAD DOG
******** here, Im a bit on the fence with this decision, basically i think all this rule will actually do is cause the lower divisions teams, ie; newer players to use more paint, which is probably the real reason they have introduced the rule, as for not being able to police the non semi cheat boards, i think thats bull, anyone can tell when the gun is ramping or bouncing during use, so that argument i think falls flat on its face.
Try to roll back that old memory of yours to the 90's, there was a article in the pgi regarding "turbo modes", just to recap; webby, ledz, bonich and bully took a eclipse angel, automag RT and a shocker turbo, down for testing at the home office and they got approval to use these in uk pball. A little while after this was agreed some scumbag USA team decided to take advantage of this and bring out ther own pro versions of the software, giving them a advantage over other teams, so turbo mode was thus banned in the usa for tourneys, and the ukpsf announced the same decision for uk tourneys.
So basically my point is, the home office has already said previously that "turbo modes" are acceptable and the fact is that this was announced in a international magazine.
I dont agree with the attitude of Russell and Hatts in regards to your questions, I can see that you are just wanting to know the exact law as regard to these modes, but as far as i am concerned due to the previously mention article i think all is ok.
(Sorry person asked me to edit his name, higher authorities told him to to, so I respect that and have removed it ) MAD DOG
Just to point Out A certain person got my back up yes and for this I opologise, I have opened up a whole can of worms have I not, but no opinion is a dead opinion.
It comes down to this, because of the grey we are left always wondering.
We live in a world of the unknown where at any time something stupid could go wrong and , whoops there goes paintball.
I work within a site and understand it all to well, but I will say this, would you allow a group of paying customers to use fully ramping markers because we have no law on it, and if not why not, think about it.......
I have no problem with a ramping marker apart from I wanted to see the approval letter and thats how all this got started, you can now say all the players with slow fingers just learnt to fire more paint, some team managers will like that because at last they will put paint down and help win games.
But the skill has gone now, the capping makes complete sense auto or not, things where getting silly with rates of fire. dam without ramping my marker rips, but put that down to using three fingers, although i feel like using two to a few people out there.
The dangers come from like I said, try before you apply it.
I have no advantage from saying all this, I would find myself outfiring the marker and using all my paint in a frenzy of standing up in the middle and just lighting the whole field up.
The point is at some point we must get rif of the grey once and for all.
But this will take guys like mentioned before and they will have to have everyanswer under the sun to bypass stupid questions asked them, then we can sit back and say we are a sport. GEt it reconised sport
It comes down to this, because of the grey we are left always wondering.
We live in a world of the unknown where at any time something stupid could go wrong and , whoops there goes paintball.
I work within a site and understand it all to well, but I will say this, would you allow a group of paying customers to use fully ramping markers because we have no law on it, and if not why not, think about it.......
I have no problem with a ramping marker apart from I wanted to see the approval letter and thats how all this got started, you can now say all the players with slow fingers just learnt to fire more paint, some team managers will like that because at last they will put paint down and help win games.
But the skill has gone now, the capping makes complete sense auto or not, things where getting silly with rates of fire. dam without ramping my marker rips, but put that down to using three fingers, although i feel like using two to a few people out there.
The dangers come from like I said, try before you apply it.
I have no advantage from saying all this, I would find myself outfiring the marker and using all my paint in a frenzy of standing up in the middle and just lighting the whole field up.
The point is at some point we must get rif of the grey once and for all.
But this will take guys like mentioned before and they will have to have everyanswer under the sun to bypass stupid questions asked them, then we can sit back and say we are a sport. GEt it reconised sport