A letter to Bush

[headrock6]

Originally posted by Fab81
If no wmd are found (And Im almost sure that there will be not), this war is a joke and a really bad one...

Hey Fab-But heres the real question..What are you guys gonna say when WMD's are found??Wait,I already can hear it now..The Yanks,Jews,and CIA planted them..Would war be justified if they are found in your eyes??I believe no matter what the situation you guys will still oppose what we've done..WMD's or lack thereof are the only thing the anti war brigade has left at the moment in terms of opposition..Do we need to bring up the FOUR terrorist camps we've dimantled so far in Iraq..You guys seem to be avoided the terrorist connection for some strange reason..Everything else you guys have said has been picked,disected and thrown out to the garbage man..How bout the 9 billion in debt that Iraq owes your country and Russia from arming Iraq and building palaces..God knows he wasnt using it for his people..If Saddam doesnt have WMD's then the real questions are:

Why wouldnt they allow scientists to be interviewed privately?
Why did he kick inspectors out after 1998?
Why would Saddam suffer through sanctions when they could have been lifted by just INVITING(not having to be told)inspectors in and willfully disarm??

Originally posted by Fab81
This war didn't disrupt peace? Are you in Irak to say that ? If you had no more water no more food no more medecine...what will you say?

So yes the war is good for Iraki people, now they can't even drink some water, but they can jump on a cluster bomb.... How long this situation will last? Each day, many people are dying. What are the USA do now? apart from protecting their interest and some of an other country? Didn't they say that this war is for Iraki people?

Cmon Fab,you cant seriously believe some of the stuff you just wrote..The fighting just ended..Water has been restored to 80% of the country with humanitarian aid now flowing in..Baghdad is the last problem we have to fix with water and thats expected to be running this week..Hospitals are being repleneshed and stores are opening again..Theres very random incidents of looting still occuring and police patrols are now back in the streets..After 3 weeks I'd say thats pretty good so far..We have a lot of work to accomplish to keep the faith with the Iraqi people and I have no doubt thats what were going to do..How many more problems are you guys gonna try to find to make this look like an evil imperialistic war because they get shot down everytime they get brought up..

Originally posted by Fab81
I think that many people are really disgusted with what is going on.

No disrespect but thats maybe because the truth always seems to sting a bit more than the fantasy world alot of you on the anti war brigade have been living in....

Originally posted by Fab81
At least I can see on that board that some people are not blind and are thinking(Tj Lambini, Duffidusta, Jose Dominguez,Rancid...) and its a good thing.

U sure about that..

 

[Fab81]

Originally posted by headrock6
Hey Fab-But heres the real question..What are you guys gonna say when WMD's are found??Wait,I already can hear it now..The Yanks,Jews,and CIA planted them..Would war be justified if they are found in your eyes??I believe no matter what the situation you guys will still oppose what we've done..WMD's or lack thereof are the only thing the anti war brigade has left at the moment in terms of opposition..Everything else you guys have said has been picked,disected and thrown out to the garbage man..How bout the 9 billion in debt that Iraq owes your country and Russia from arming Iraq and building palaces..God knows he wasnt using it for his people..If Saddam doesnt have WMD's then the real questions are:

Why wouldnt they allow scientists to be interviewed privately?
Why did he kick inspectors out after 1998?
Why would Saddam suffer through sanctions when they could have been lifted by just INVITING(not having to be told)inspectors in and willfully disarm??

I will say the next events will tell many things, since Dubya and his Neo-con seems to want to declare war to Syria.

And as you said war would not have been justified in my eyes even if wmd were found, its not to US to uniterally attack a country, or we are likely to see a series of war becoming a world one.

Cmon Fab,you cant seriously believe some of the stuff you just wrote..The fighting just ended..Water has been restored to 80% of the country with humanitarian aid now flowing in..Baghdad is the last problem we have to fix with water and thats expected to be running this week..Hospitals are being repleneshed and stores are opening again..Theres very random incidents of looting still occuring and police patrols are now back in the streets..After 3 weeks I'd say thats pretty good so far..We have a lot of work to accomplish to keep the faith with the Iraqi people and I have no doubt thats what were going to do..How many more problems are you guys gonna try to find to make this look like an evil imperialistic war because they get shot down everytime they get brought up..

I think that we have not the same information sources...So we have a different opinion on that.

No disrespect but thats maybe because the truth always seems to sting a bit more than the fantasy world alot of you on the anti war brigade have been living in....

Maybe, but we will see what the real world will bring back to USA..Hopefully it will not end in an another tragedy...

U sure about that..

Now that you are asking, Im not so sure

 

[headrock6]

Originally posted by Fab81
I will say the next events will tell many things, since Dubya and his Neo-con seems to want to declare war to Syria.

And as you said war would not have been justified in my eyes even if wmd were found, its not to US to uniterally attack a country, or we are likely to see a series of war becoming a world one.

No ones invading Syria yet..And are u suprised that North Korea suddenly asks for a multilateral sit down to get their crisis settled??Couldnt have anthing to do with a dictator worrying about losing power now could it??The war on Iraq is actually now preventing other wars..Care to dispute that??

Originally posted by Fab81
I think that we have not the same information sources...So we have a different opinion on that.

Hmm..Just heard from my step brother for the first time in 2 months whos been on the supply lines inside of Iraq for the last 2 weeks..He seems to think the media is blowing alot of steam on this one..Doesnt suprise me at all..Whos your source??

Originally posted by Fab81
Now that you are asking, Im not so sure

 

[JoseDominguez]

Well, seeing as we "won" so easily (in respect to casualties caused by the other side) was it worth all the friendly fire incidents? Iraq never seemed to put up much resistance, so did we need to send in so much ordnance that we kept crashing into one another and shooting each other up?
A lot of fathers, brothers and sons aren't coming back from this. And mostly by accident not enemy action.

Oh, and please don't lump me in with the French, if I'm sounding like I agree with them in any way, then strap me to a tomahawk and I'll ride right into Tikrit whooping and waving my stetson.

 

[headrock6]

Originally posted by JoseDominguez
Well, seeing as we "won" so easily (in respect to casualties caused by the other side) was it worth all the friendly fire incidents? Iraq never seemed to put up much resistance, so did we need to send in so much ordnance that we kept crashing into one another and shooting each other up?
A lot of fathers, brothers and sons aren't coming back from this. And mostly by accident not enemy action.

Cmon,the Iraqis didnt put up a fight because we didnt give them a chance...The result of all that ordinance was a severely depleted Iraqi army that really had no chance..Without all of it I think would would have seen a major increase in coalition and civilian casualties...Alot of you seem to think that the Iraqis didnt even try...Definately not the case..Destruction of leadership early caused a ton of havoc with their army..

But I totally agree with you that friendly fire issues need to be addressed but at least your not sitting here trying to lay blame on the US..We've lost 39 to friendly fire..Sad accidents that happen during extreme pressure which might have been avoided with a larger ground force to reinforce some of the exhuasted troops that fought with limited sleep for three weeks but who knows??The numbers are definately down since WW2

Originally posted by JoseDominguez
Oh, and please don't lump me in with the French, if I'm sounding like I agree with them in any way, then strap me to a tomahawk and I'll ride right into Tikrit whooping and waving my stetson.

You sound like them..Now lets see how good you are at keeping your word

 

[Fab81]

Originally posted by headrock6
No ones invading Syria yet..And are u suprised that North Korea suddenly asks for a multilateral sit down to get their crisis settled??Couldnt have anthing to do with a dictator worrying about losing power now could it??The war on Iraq is actually now preventing other wars..Care to dispute that??

If it prevents other war, then it would the best thing that has done this war, the cards are in the hand of US.

Hmm..Just heard from my step brother for the first time in 2 months whos been on the supply lines inside of Iraq for the last 2 weeks..He seems to think the media is blowing alot of steam on this one..Doesnt suprise me at all..Whos your source??

My sources is everything I can get my hand on, from US articles to Russia ones. US channels, cnn, fox news(propaganda channel for this one..), nbc, french channel, dutch ones (bvn...), english (bbc, sky...)... I even had Iraq Tv ...
In each country, the view is different, from that I can make my opinion... Maybe its right maybe not..
The main thing I saw is the lack of everything.
You can check some humanitarian website like redcross too, they say that the anarchy in the main cities make really hard any help.

I think that maybe if your step brother was in a city, he would say anothers things if they let him give unchecked news to his family.

Anyway I hope that he will happen nothing to him.

 

[Fab81]

Originally posted by JoseDominguez


Oh, and please don't lump me in with the French, if I'm sounding like I agree with them in any way, then strap me to a tomahawk and I'll ride right into Tikrit whooping and waving my stetson.

You have a bad habit in UK, you don't want to be with the French .

So when are we launching you on a tomahawk ?

 

[headrock6]

Originally posted by Fab81



My sources is everything I can get my hand on, from US articles to Russia ones. US channels, cnn, fox news(propaganda channel for this one..), nbc, french channel, dutch ones (bvn...), english (bbc, sky...)... I even had Iraq Tv ...
In each country, the view is different, from that I can make my opinion... Maybe its right maybe not..
The main thing I saw is the lack of everything.
You can check some humanitarian website like redcross too, they say that the anarchy in the main cities make really hard any help.

No doubt theres still problems with getting humanitarian aid into cities but not due to anything the US is doing..When you have fanatics from other countries sniping from roofs and strapping suicide belts to themselves it kinda makes it hard to do anything at the moment..

But humanitarian groups also need to rethink their methods of getting food and aid in during times of war..There is a risk involved but I personally think thats part of the job..You cant say your doing everything you can for these people and not want to go in when things are a little shakey..


Heres my view though..The world will be alot safer without Saddam Hussien in power..Like it or not,after 9/11 we have shown if you want a fight we have no problem coming to you..Al Qaeda,Hezbollah,Hamas,IRA,Hussien,Bashar Assad and anyone who provides comfort or funds to them are one in the same...We didnt ask for this,but we'll sure as hell finish it

 

[beebo]

headroch6 u speak the feelings of many.funny how he list the one fairest news chanel (fox, also more conservative) as propaganda

 

[Justin Owen]

Didn't bother to read through anything other than this last page. Here's my input:

I stand beside Dubya in believing it's a far better decision to disarm a bomb BEFORE it goes off.
You don't wait 'til after it goes off to do something about it.
That's what 9/11 was.
That won't happen again. We're smarter than that now.
Certainly no one, regardless of how you feel about the war now, then, whatever, or the motivations behind it...surely we can all agree Saddam was a ticking timb bomb.
There are other terrorist organizations, or governments, out there who could fairly be lumped into the same general category.
Now just a brainiac question for ya'll: You think perhaps they're re-evaluating their official position regarding the U.S. right about now? You think maybe they're taking seriously the "with us or against us" speech? You think maybe they're sweating a little when they realize that "OOPS, maybe we SHOULD get out of this terrorism business!"??????
Like someone pointed out...N.Korea is wasting no time getting diplomatic. Syria will behave the same. If they're not doing anything they shouldn't be, they simply have nothing to worry about.
I've said it elsewhere...9/11 showed us we can no longer sit idly by and slap the wrists of those who would eventually cause great destruction and catastrophe at their own whim. Our goal with Iraq is not short term destruction or war...it's long term stability and peace.
Such is the way it is.
~J~