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[Magued]

God points

Goose and Nick.

Good ideas. I think a disciplinary comittee formed from the teams is a brilliant idea.

The one thing that I really hate being on the Millenium board is to decide about disciplinary issues. That really sucks as most people in the paintball community is more or less friends. I want to do a good job putting up a event in Sweden. Not punishing people that I like. It also get to personal when a small group decide this things.

About the forum. Nick you are right but this is what we got now. I have also asked on the Swedish main forum as Swedes tend to be smarter than anyone else

See you tomorrow

Magued

 

[Robbo]

Non, non et non encore !!!!

First off, Nick, the reason this is being debated (and needs to be so) on this web site is because the discussion by its very nature has to be extended to all teams and players who attend the Millennium.
This is exactly the place these type discussions need to take place and not some obscure, boring Millennium web site.
Also there is no need for any specific area of P8ntballer.com to be designated to Millennium affairs, it would generally be as boring as **** and rarely visited.
I really don't understand the description or relevance of the word 'random' you use.
The whole thread is about the subject of the No-look rule, hardly random !!!!!!!!

PS Nick, please don’t get into any lengthy rebuttal on these points that resemble War and Peace, I ain’t got the energy or the inclination !!

Secondly, Magued, I will clarify what I said in an earlier post.
I spoke with Niall at length and he told me that Laurent had not cleared his decision to keep the No-look rule with the rest of the board.
Laurent is not able (constitutionally) to decide on his own what the Millennium rule book will or will not keep.
If you are telling me any different, then please do so.
Secondly, you mentioned that you did not have any particular problem with the No-look Rule but during our telephone conversation, you told me, you were not happy with it and also wanted it to go but would post something on this board to get everybody else's opinion.
So please tell me now, what you think, we know how Niall thinks, he has made it obvious as have so many other people on this board.
What do you think and more importantly, what will you do ?
How many people have got to say ‘Non’ before the French people listen ?
Robbo

 

[Magued]

Magued

Aha are you trying to corner the Egyptian? Im to fast for you Robbo

Anyway I posted here that I havent uptil now heard alot of complains about the no look rule.
On the phone I said that I love to see the no look rule gone if we can come up with something else. I dont want to go back to how it used to be.
I think I have been pretty clear?

I would never try to inforce something that most players dont want. Its not my nature. You havent been at any of my Joy masters events yet Robbo but Im sure that anyone that have been there can testify who Im putting first. The players. I myself wanted to do a millenium event beacuse I thought alot of tourneys I went to with Joy wasnt what we deserved.

What im going to do is this. Getting as much views on this issue as possible and then come up with a proposal that everyone on the board can vote on.
My opinion right now is that we should trash the no look rule and inforce HARD penelty points on stepping out or talking in the deadzone. Laurent and everybody else on the board have 1 vote each.
Im going to southern Sweden to reff a Nordic series leg. So Me Goose and Nick is offline for 2 days.

Later Rob

Magued

 

[Buddha 3]

Magued, your proposal as it stands would get my vote.
The only thing I would perhaps like to add, is that besides the harsh penalty points, there should also be an option of banning a player/team for unsportsmanlike conduct. If players step out of the box, when emotions get high, points should be enough. But when players get out of control, hit them harder than ever!
I think paintball needs this sort of thing at the moment.
Magued, you appear to have taken some flak in this thread, but I comment you for starting this topic, and thus giving us players a level of influence in the governing of the series. Hats off to you sir!

Another thing though, do you think it will be possible to find enough refs that have the backbone to step up to the plate, and possibly have to take on enraged players (not physically ofcourse, although you never know...)? This question is for everyone...

 

[goose]

I was gonna hold this for my weekend with Maggot but I see buddha is already jumping ahead of me (as usual - you think I would learn).

The whole problem can be solved quite easily. It is easier to draw than explain but I will try.

What we set up is borrowed from Nick's idea. We put the deadboxes back near the scorers tent. But we now turn them into something along the line of hockey penalty boxes, with the entrance opening up to the scorers table. We then make a smaller area with an opening that faces towards the backline - this is for the eliminated players markers.

Now when a player is elimnated they should be rqequired to leave the field IMMEDIATELY - stop all the bullsh!t whining - to the closest sideline. Then they place their markers in the protected marker area, then place themselves in the penalty box. What this does is, separates the players from the markers and then it makes the only possible way out by the scorers table. All that is then required is 1 ref whose sole job is to watch the dead players conduct. This person would not even necessarily need to be someone who know the game - all they have to do is see if anyone leaves the area.

If anyone leave this area, penalties will be assigned. My idea is that these penalties should not be 1-4-1's because if a team is losing they won't give a damn about being penalized like that. The penalties should be along the lines of, that team has to start the NEXT game one player down (or possible more if there was a larger problem).

Repeated bad behaviour, would of course be penalized harder.

goose

P.S. people please stop posting more for today, I have work to do and it's hard to concentrate

 

[goose]

A little good luck charm - until I can find a new one

goose

 

[Manuel MAG]

think there'll be enough buddys - lets test it at MAXS - sure this will be the only way becoming serious in sport - !no cheatin !

 

[Munky]

Well I admit I'm a newbie to this tournament scene and mainly play recball, so don't know all the in's and out's of the rules.

But from what I have read and heard about this no look rule, it does seem to take the excitment of watching your team compete, yes it is there to stop you getting involved when you are out.

So what about setting a dead area away from the field where cameras are set up around the field (say one in each corner with a wideangle lense so as to cover each quarter and and one on each side in the middle) relayed back to monitors in the dead area so dead players can watch, shout, jump up and down with it having no effect on the game being played cause they cant be seen or heard but still have the excitment of knowing whats happening.

Benefits are you can record all the action so players can learn from mistakes, make a video for the series, etc, etc.

Well as I said I don't all the in's and out's of tourny play but if the no look rule is still there, it is a possible work around .

Peace and happy hunting

 

[Robbo]

Am I missing something or what ?
I think most sane people would agree that when things are kept simple, as long they are well thought through, then it so much easier to not only understand but to also put into practice.
We have had many ideas regarding the problem of players coming back into the game after they have been eliminated and causing sh#t.
This stupid ‘No-look’ rule was designed to negate this problem.
Well, I think we have all seen (apart from the Frenchmen) that the rule is impractical and not wanted.

But my dilemma increases when I see all these convoluted plans of marker removal, designated dead box areas with only captains.....blah..... blah..... blah !!!!!

I would have thought that to keep the existing arrangements as they were with dead players collecting at the back of the field behind the base banners was the easiest and least radical way to go with the slight change in rules to apply to, ‘any player shouting at any on - field participant’, whether it be a judge or another player, ‘will be penalty pointed’ (A frikkin big one) and ‘any player leaving that dead zone’ will also be hit hard with penalty points.
Easy !!!
No newly designed dead zones, no newly designed complex procedures for dead players to adhere to and judges to enforce, just sit where you have always sat, you can watch the game if you want but if you open your mouth or step one frikkin inch outside that dead zone, you are gonna be in a whole world of pain in the form of penalty points.
It's so simple and so effective as a deterrent, all we need now are the judges and mandate from the Millennium board to enforce these changes.
Too many times I think we got bogged down with lots of different opinions that perhaps, sometimes we may lose sight of what is really needed.
Let’s keep it simple, that way players and judges alike can get on with the job J
But, please, if anybody thinks I am talking outa my ass, then tell me so, coz I am gradually losing my sanity the more this thread continues.
Nick, you are exempt from that request, as I believe you would find fault with Mother Theresa
Robbo

 

[Manuel MAG]

@ Robbo:

hey m8 nobodys ass could talk so sweet like you doin with your mouth - to give'em penatlypoints would be the best way - for every word and step right outta the deadbox - hmm maybe take a "penalty-ref" to the deadbox - just observing them