Quite possibly! It seems as well that if that is the case me and Jean MLP made similar points and there was a miss understanding! Whoooooops, My Bad!
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this is a hard one
Well i would like to share my knowledge with you guys regarding the no look rule but unfortunatly i cant since i have never been shot out during the Mil Series and therefore cannot understand what this no look rule means.
But showing a little empathy why not have a metal coil that goes round the dead box and its charged with a small amount of electricity (no fatal amounts of course) so if you go out of the area ZAp!!!!! works on cows
Laters
Simon
Well i would like to share my knowledge with you guys regarding the no look rule but unfortunatly i cant since i have never been shot out during the Mil Series and therefore cannot understand what this no look rule means.
But showing a little empathy why not have a metal coil that goes round the dead box and its charged with a small amount of electricity (no fatal amounts of course) so if you go out of the area ZAp!!!!! works on cows
Laters
Simon
After reading all of these posts and talking to many people, it seems obvious that all of us except Jean-Manuel (and Laurent) think the No-Look rule has got to go.
Just as an addition to this, I asked Steve Rabakoff (Avalanche) and Richmond Italia (Diablo) what they thought after they had just played and won the Campaign Cup.
Rab : "It's the most god-dammed, stupid, half assed rule I have ever seen"
Richmond : "It (the rule) has got to go"
How the hell can Jean and Laurent ignore such a unanimous clamour for removal of the rule ?
I will ignore for the moment they are both French
I will also ignore that Jean Manuel is closely aligned to Laurent.
And after lengthy talks with Niall and Magued (co-promoters of the Millennium), it would seem as though Laurent is doing this unilaterally without the consent of Millennium board which in itself is not only unconstitutional but also downright ignorant toward us players.
I have my suspicions why they are continuing to ignore the clamour for change that now surrounds them but it would be interesting to see what some of you guys think as to exactly why such ostensibly sensible people (Laurent and Jean Manuel) should take such an untenable position.
I will say however that although my tone is not all that friendly in this, I still regard Jean and maybe Laurent as my friends, I respect them both an awful lot but at the moment I do not respect their opinions on this matter.
Any thouhgts ?
Robbo
Just as an addition to this, I asked Steve Rabakoff (Avalanche) and Richmond Italia (Diablo) what they thought after they had just played and won the Campaign Cup.
Rab : "It's the most god-dammed, stupid, half assed rule I have ever seen"
Richmond : "It (the rule) has got to go"
How the hell can Jean and Laurent ignore such a unanimous clamour for removal of the rule ?
I will ignore for the moment they are both French
I will also ignore that Jean Manuel is closely aligned to Laurent.
And after lengthy talks with Niall and Magued (co-promoters of the Millennium), it would seem as though Laurent is doing this unilaterally without the consent of Millennium board which in itself is not only unconstitutional but also downright ignorant toward us players.
I have my suspicions why they are continuing to ignore the clamour for change that now surrounds them but it would be interesting to see what some of you guys think as to exactly why such ostensibly sensible people (Laurent and Jean Manuel) should take such an untenable position.
I will say however that although my tone is not all that friendly in this, I still regard Jean and maybe Laurent as my friends, I respect them both an awful lot but at the moment I do not respect their opinions on this matter.
Any thouhgts ?
Robbo
Honest mate, I haven't got a clue about their motives, but like I said in an earlier post in this thread, I think the no look rule is very VERY anti commercial, and so far Laurent has been a commercial genius when it comes to 'ball........It's beyond me...
Actually Robbo...
... it's kinda funny you mention Richmond.
Now I will not argue that he is one helluva nice guy, but his behaviour in the finals at Campiagn is just another example of the lack of balls in the Millennium board.
Most people know what I am talking about, and his actions are not a great secret. I just know that if anyone else had of pulled the same stunt he did, they would be banned for a very long time.
I wonder if the fact that he is the owner of Diablo has anything to do with this??
goose
... it's kinda funny you mention Richmond.
Now I will not argue that he is one helluva nice guy, but his behaviour in the finals at Campiagn is just another example of the lack of balls in the Millennium board.
Most people know what I am talking about, and his actions are not a great secret. I just know that if anyone else had of pulled the same stunt he did, they would be banned for a very long time.
I wonder if the fact that he is the owner of Diablo has anything to do with this??
goose
Pete, I strongly believe that Laurents past efforts in bringing paintball into the Public domain outweigh any shortcomings he may have in his clear thought process at this particular time. He remains a good friend, sure we differ in opinion, but he's french and will realise just like meat is better cooked, that the English are usually right.
Goose, you are wrong. The MIllennium Board care passionately about this sport. We realised that the rules issue was not working brilliantly, set up a rules commission and appointed a new Ultimate Judge. I have to say, that as much as I like Big John as a person, he got soft. He has now retired. Moose is his replacement. (You arent related are you?) Those that know Moose will know he takes no ****, from players, marshals or Tournament Organisers.
The Millennium Board differ in opinion about the blind dead zone rule and this is a matter that has brought things to a head, but please do not think for a minute that we are not united as a body. We will fight our respective corners, look at all the options and come to a consensus vote. You all know the way I feel on this one. Laurent can't unilateraly make rules. We the board made this one.. We just need to change it.
One problem we do face, is that in our hurry to embrace all things American and "to get the big boys over to our events, we have reluctantly picked up some unwanted "luggage" on the way. If we had no Yank teams the bad behaviour would be minimal. It seems that whilst us Euro people admire the yanks in their playing prowess we snigger as they throw their teddys out the pram. I question the sanity in keeping a rule to cater for the tiny minority, at the expense of the majority.
Goose, you are wrong. The MIllennium Board care passionately about this sport. We realised that the rules issue was not working brilliantly, set up a rules commission and appointed a new Ultimate Judge. I have to say, that as much as I like Big John as a person, he got soft. He has now retired. Moose is his replacement. (You arent related are you?) Those that know Moose will know he takes no ****, from players, marshals or Tournament Organisers.
The Millennium Board differ in opinion about the blind dead zone rule and this is a matter that has brought things to a head, but please do not think for a minute that we are not united as a body. We will fight our respective corners, look at all the options and come to a consensus vote. You all know the way I feel on this one. Laurent can't unilateraly make rules. We the board made this one.. We just need to change it.
One problem we do face, is that in our hurry to embrace all things American and "to get the big boys over to our events, we have reluctantly picked up some unwanted "luggage" on the way. If we had no Yank teams the bad behaviour would be minimal. It seems that whilst us Euro people admire the yanks in their playing prowess we snigger as they throw their teddys out the pram. I question the sanity in keeping a rule to cater for the tiny minority, at the expense of the majority.
Arghhh Spare me the bull****!
I started this thread beacuse me and the millenium board felt that we needed input from players and people all over the spectra.
I can honestly say as I have said to you Robbo on the phone that I havent got alot of complains about the no look rule. Up til now that is. I have on the other hand heard alot of positive things about the rule when it came.
Now it seems like most players dont want to have that rule so therefore we are open to new ideas.
What I dont like is when people get jumped on beacuse they have a different opinion.
Laurent and JeanManuel dont have a hidden agenda or motives, the only motive they have is to bring Paintball forward and they have done that moore than anyone else. Dont ever forget that when you start talking about there motives and **** like that.
they have a opinoin on this matter that may not be the same as yours. If that is the case just accept that and keep telling why your opinion is better.
The Millenium board is trying to get this right and when we have some good alternitives we will vote. Anyone who have ever gone to any of the Millenium events know who we put first.
Goose about the thing with Richmond. We know dont think anything else. But after have worked his as of for 3 month and the event was all most over Niall didnt have the energy to deal with it. Niall was throwing up all weekend beacuse of the stress at Campaign
Its bad that nothing happend and I hope we can get better on the inforcement of punishment.
We have only had the series for 2 years and we are still along way from the quality that we think it should have. But we are trying and we are doing it better than anyone.
So please spare us the personal crap and keep your ideas comming on the issue.
Robbo I didnt really get what you meant with
"And after lengthy talks with Niall and Magued (co-promoters of the Millennium), it would seem as though Laurent is doing this unilaterally without the consent of Millennium board which in itself is not only unconstitutional but also downright ignorant toward us players. "
Please explain to a Egyptian from Sweden that dont speak English so good .
Magued
I started this thread beacuse me and the millenium board felt that we needed input from players and people all over the spectra.
I can honestly say as I have said to you Robbo on the phone that I havent got alot of complains about the no look rule. Up til now that is. I have on the other hand heard alot of positive things about the rule when it came.
Now it seems like most players dont want to have that rule so therefore we are open to new ideas.
What I dont like is when people get jumped on beacuse they have a different opinion.
Laurent and JeanManuel dont have a hidden agenda or motives, the only motive they have is to bring Paintball forward and they have done that moore than anyone else. Dont ever forget that when you start talking about there motives and **** like that.
they have a opinoin on this matter that may not be the same as yours. If that is the case just accept that and keep telling why your opinion is better.
The Millenium board is trying to get this right and when we have some good alternitives we will vote. Anyone who have ever gone to any of the Millenium events know who we put first.
Goose about the thing with Richmond. We know dont think anything else. But after have worked his as of for 3 month and the event was all most over Niall didnt have the energy to deal with it. Niall was throwing up all weekend beacuse of the stress at Campaign
Its bad that nothing happend and I hope we can get better on the inforcement of punishment.
We have only had the series for 2 years and we are still along way from the quality that we think it should have. But we are trying and we are doing it better than anyone.
So please spare us the personal crap and keep your ideas comming on the issue.
Robbo I didnt really get what you meant with
"And after lengthy talks with Niall and Magued (co-promoters of the Millennium), it would seem as though Laurent is doing this unilaterally without the consent of Millennium board which in itself is not only unconstitutional but also downright ignorant toward us players. "
Please explain to a Egyptian from Sweden that dont speak English so good .
Magued
no look rule..
For what it's worth...
i like it.
look at the fiasco between Banzai and the AA's at Mayhem, and the spectator shooting incident. Would that have ben avoided with a no-see rule?
Of course teams get passoinate about the game, or we wouldnt play. The odd player spitting his dummy out is a point of intrest for everyone (or why the hell are we posting about it..?)
The only way to deal with eliminated players interfering is have a ref at each dead box. With strong Rules dictating thier actions if they interfere with whats going on. But as you should know that suchs up precious resources ata tourney.
what ever you decide I will stick buy it. The millenium seris is the best thing to happen to paintball. Period.
It's good to see that you all ahve your own opinons as to what should be, and that you all have the strength to stand your ground.
Keep up the good work!
For what it's worth...
i like it.
look at the fiasco between Banzai and the AA's at Mayhem, and the spectator shooting incident. Would that have ben avoided with a no-see rule?
Of course teams get passoinate about the game, or we wouldnt play. The odd player spitting his dummy out is a point of intrest for everyone (or why the hell are we posting about it..?)
The only way to deal with eliminated players interfering is have a ref at each dead box. With strong Rules dictating thier actions if they interfere with whats going on. But as you should know that suchs up precious resources ata tourney.
what ever you decide I will stick buy it. The millenium seris is the best thing to happen to paintball. Period.
It's good to see that you all ahve your own opinons as to what should be, and that you all have the strength to stand your ground.
Keep up the good work!
Niall & Maggot...
... first off - please don't gte me wrong. I now that the organizers care deeply about the series. You all do a fantastic job - especially for a bunch of ungrateful S.O.B.s like us .
However my view on things are as follows:
1) If you can't deal with the huge, obvious & potinetially devastating behaviour - hotel trashing, gun throwing, threatening of organizers etc. how can you begin to attempt to control the dead box situation. It is a hell of lot easier to lay down the law from a position of authority (or fear for that matter) than one of weakness & the perception of being wishy washy.
There is an old story about what to do when you are thrown in jail. You should find the biggest, nastiest mo'fo in the joint and pick a fight with him. You will either be feared because you kicked his ass or you will be left alone because the rest think you are insane.
2) There needs to be an independant rules & enforcement group that has nothing to do with the organizers. This group needs to re-write the rules so that any idiot can understand them, and this group - not the organizers are the ones responsible for dealing with unsportsmanlike conduct.
A perfect example is the Campaign situation - it should not have been up to Niall to have to deal with Richmond or any players that threaten him, it should be the rules committee
Another thing that can be done is put together a list of say the top 30 pro players in the Millennium and have them organized into a group of ultimate refs. This group will then be available to act as field ultimates for tournaments that they are not playing in - at the Millennium series expense of course. What this would do is ensure that at least the ultimates on each field where on the same page when it comes to interpreting the rules.
If we could get a grip on the shoddy state of the rules & their enforcement, the whole deadbox discussion will become a non-issue. We have the opportunity to put an end to terrible behaviour while the series is still young. I think we should do it now before it gets out of hand.
goose
P.S. Niall if he is a Canadian Moose - I am a Canadian goose - then we might be related. Oh yeah - where's my DVD?? (sorry couldn't resist)
P.P.S Maggot I have some other ideas - let's talk on the weekend in Markaryd.
... first off - please don't gte me wrong. I now that the organizers care deeply about the series. You all do a fantastic job - especially for a bunch of ungrateful S.O.B.s like us
.However my view on things are as follows:
1) If you can't deal with the huge, obvious & potinetially devastating behaviour - hotel trashing, gun throwing, threatening of organizers etc. how can you begin to attempt to control the dead box situation. It is a hell of lot easier to lay down the law from a position of authority (or fear for that matter) than one of weakness & the perception of being wishy washy.
There is an old story about what to do when you are thrown in jail. You should find the biggest, nastiest mo'fo in the joint and pick a fight with him. You will either be feared because you kicked his ass or you will be left alone because the rest think you are insane.
2) There needs to be an independant rules & enforcement group that has nothing to do with the organizers. This group needs to re-write the rules so that any idiot can understand them, and this group - not the organizers are the ones responsible for dealing with unsportsmanlike conduct.
A perfect example is the Campaign situation - it should not have been up to Niall to have to deal with Richmond or any players that threaten him, it should be the rules committee
Another thing that can be done is put together a list of say the top 30 pro players in the Millennium and have them organized into a group of ultimate refs. This group will then be available to act as field ultimates for tournaments that they are not playing in - at the Millennium series expense of course. What this would do is ensure that at least the ultimates on each field where on the same page when it comes to interpreting the rules.
If we could get a grip on the shoddy state of the rules & their enforcement, the whole deadbox discussion will become a non-issue. We have the opportunity to put an end to terrible behaviour while the series is still young. I think we should do it now before it gets out of hand.
goose
P.S. Niall if he is a Canadian Moose - I am a Canadian goose - then we might be related. Oh yeah - where's my DVD?? (sorry couldn't resist
)P.P.S Maggot I have some other ideas - let's talk on the weekend in Markaryd.