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- Thread starter Robbo
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Yeah yeah.....noticed I'm not using my old account cos I refused to put in your new password x
Sid
...for those of you who don't know, Sid forgot the password to his original user name and so he asked me to temporary allot him a new one so he could gain access and then change it afterwards.
I changed it to 'scotlandsucks' and notified him of this so as to give him back access and all he had to do was to type that in.....needless to say, it remains inaccessible to him
I honestly do not see why not
The beauty off this is that it showcases the top teams ala the ProTour, which I believe was a good idea and makes it more viable for retailers. Also makes maximum use of the site 2 twice a year instead of 6 sites running little pidly events.
Players like competition and a goal to achieve at the end of it.
What competitive team would not like to prove that they are in fact UK Champion.
There is nothing to stop teams playing for the fun throughout the year, but for those that want to aspire give them something to attain
I think the point of calming down the game for the inbetween teams is a really important thing. Maybe lower divisions use the KOth paint rules and the amount of paint rises as you go up in divisions, it can be pretty scarey for new players.
I know with the uni league we have been kind of lost as to how to deal with new teams coming into it and we have discussed limited paint in the lower division, although a decision has not yet been made. We used to run limited paint for new unis and it worked well as back then the league was pretty much an introduction into tourney scene for players but now the startign age of playing has dropped and often we are seeing experienced players joining instead.
Bring back skill loose the spray and pray
I know with the uni league we have been kind of lost as to how to deal with new teams coming into it and we have discussed limited paint in the lower division, although a decision has not yet been made. We used to run limited paint for new unis and it worked well as back then the league was pretty much an introduction into tourney scene for players but now the startign age of playing has dropped and often we are seeing experienced players joining instead.
Bring back skill loose the spray and pray
I don't see why there aren't any events like this. This sounds like the right way to have fun.
For a long time I've wanted to see some 3 man events somewhere? So maybe these can be incorporated together. Not everyone can foot 5/7 players it's normally smaller groups of players. I started with my mate, and it took us a while to get a team, eventually I played my first tourny with some randomers who were down the site and we made a team that way.
Luke.
Pete
Personally I found it to be quite good, the vibe in the pits was wicked, but I was just a cocky kid, who was probably out of his depth and just loving every minute of playing and learning... I can imagine that from Nexus' perspective it was quite different... You had some heavy grudge matches with well, at least half of the league, most born out of envy I guess...
My main point was more that the vibe that surrounded the ProTour, both inside and out, was generally a good one - we got to bash heads with Nexus, Shock, Tigers, Kelly's etc, and people got to watch Tigers/Shock/Nexus battle on home soil - and they were damn good games... Some of those weekends had a genuinely awesome atmosphere, its that that is missing now, and that that I would like to see again.
Ash
At that time Ash, as you know, we had a lot going on in the US at the time and necessarily had to focus training and resources around that.
We were in a no win situation playing that as every team there couldn't wait to try to stick it to us because for some of them, it was their be all and end all.
I got sick and tired of all that cr@p, it seemed so petty but when i think about it, wasn't that just another symptom of our country's problems that persist now?
I think Ledz, Nicky and others have certainly given us all a lot to think about but as I suggested before, things like leagues tend to sort themselves out as an emergent property of a healthy player transition from site to tourney.
This increase in player base bolsters the number of teams; leagues then tend to be created to cater for the increase in teams and the tournament scene evolves accordingly.
If you go back and take a look at the scene say 15 years ago, this is exactly how it evolved ....
Leagues are merely a symptom here and will not represent a cure; all this talk about creating national leagues etc is a bit like polishing the head of a measles spot.
Bring back the good old days when you found out you had the chance to play against a pro team, your one chance to take a scalp of a big name, didn't matter if you lost all weekend, but you went out there and took avalanche, ironmen, banzai, bob longs etc down to 2 men, or even beat them.....that's when it was fun....that made it worth while...
Anyway....NO....Robbo I will not put in my new password....x
Anyway....NO....Robbo I will not put in my new password....x
Here's a shot from outside the box. You'll all hate it, but I think thats because your perspective is too narrow, and mine isn't...
1. The emerging format in the states isn't X-ball, or 5-man, its SPPL, or CSPPL, depending on your location.
2. The SPPL is the Scenario Paintball Players League. Its gaining teams and gaining recognition, and is full of people that don't need sponsorship, but are sponsored anyway, because people actually want to give them things.
3. In the UK there is an incredibly healthy site business. For example, WDP's field in Birmingham is 50% up on thier best ever year. Thats about 35,000-40,000 players this year if my memory serves.
4. Jay has identifies 2 things above that have to happen in order to grow competition paintball. He's definitely right.
So, if we look at all of the above, the smartest thing would be for the UK to have a total change of direction, promote a 'UKSPPL' and garner much more support from the fields and field owners. There is a LOAD of gear to be sold to SPPL-type teams, and they can still use it down thier local field without looking like a nonce (in fact, they will look totally scary, which is rad). If you want to get people to play Sup-air, then try to get them playing competition woodsball first. Its a stepping stone, but better than that, its a stepping stone that revitalises the UK industry through sales of rec equipment, infusing much needed cash into stores so that they can support thier store/field teams better, and be more succesful in thier own businesses.
Once people are playing tournament rec-ball, its up to you lot to convince them that playing in a bouncy castle is more fun. You may not succeed, but the thing is, if you don't, there is still somewhere for those players to play and thrive. They stay in the game because they have an option to play with like-minded people in a competitive environment, without giving up what they originally fell in love with about the game.
If you can do that, then you will have the start of a true 'revolution'. How long it will take to revolve back around to a resurgence of UK Pro teams I couldn't say, but in the mean-time at least there will be a much needed influx of players that progress on to buying equipment in the industry, which is the life-blood of the game.
The industry has to adapt to survive. This is the way it is happening in North America, where 85% of what is sold is Scenario Paintball gear. The UK is generally 2 years behind the US, but it doesn't have to be.
Like I said, out of the box, but I like this idea more than running lower cost events for the existing players because they are struggling to afford the game. If people can't afford paintball now, its not because its too expensive, its because they don't have enough money. 2 different things entirely.
1. The emerging format in the states isn't X-ball, or 5-man, its SPPL, or CSPPL, depending on your location.
2. The SPPL is the Scenario Paintball Players League. Its gaining teams and gaining recognition, and is full of people that don't need sponsorship, but are sponsored anyway, because people actually want to give them things.
3. In the UK there is an incredibly healthy site business. For example, WDP's field in Birmingham is 50% up on thier best ever year. Thats about 35,000-40,000 players this year if my memory serves.
4. Jay has identifies 2 things above that have to happen in order to grow competition paintball. He's definitely right.
So, if we look at all of the above, the smartest thing would be for the UK to have a total change of direction, promote a 'UKSPPL' and garner much more support from the fields and field owners. There is a LOAD of gear to be sold to SPPL-type teams, and they can still use it down thier local field without looking like a nonce (in fact, they will look totally scary, which is rad). If you want to get people to play Sup-air, then try to get them playing competition woodsball first. Its a stepping stone, but better than that, its a stepping stone that revitalises the UK industry through sales of rec equipment, infusing much needed cash into stores so that they can support thier store/field teams better, and be more succesful in thier own businesses.
Once people are playing tournament rec-ball, its up to you lot to convince them that playing in a bouncy castle is more fun. You may not succeed, but the thing is, if you don't, there is still somewhere for those players to play and thrive. They stay in the game because they have an option to play with like-minded people in a competitive environment, without giving up what they originally fell in love with about the game.
If you can do that, then you will have the start of a true 'revolution'. How long it will take to revolve back around to a resurgence of UK Pro teams I couldn't say, but in the mean-time at least there will be a much needed influx of players that progress on to buying equipment in the industry, which is the life-blood of the game.
The industry has to adapt to survive. This is the way it is happening in North America, where 85% of what is sold is Scenario Paintball gear. The UK is generally 2 years behind the US, but it doesn't have to be.
Like I said, out of the box, but I like this idea more than running lower cost events for the existing players because they are struggling to afford the game. If people can't afford paintball now, its not because its too expensive, its because they don't have enough money. 2 different things entirely.