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As Mr Toye once said cha-ching it's on baby...
http://www.planeteclipse.com/site/eNews.asp?newsID=322
oh come on....just a little funny....
Sid
http://www.planeteclipse.com/site/eNews.asp?newsID=322
oh come on....just a little funny....
Sid
Fair enough Missy, I needed to be drawn on that one as my ambiguity could be construed that I was fishing around! I can confirm however that I am a bit washed up and a bit of a has been
I think a major event in direct competition with Toulouse that had an NPPL/PSP flavour with regards to team attendance would attract a large number of teams all of whom would relish the chance of playing a top American team and then be able to watch them later in proceedings - like it always used to be.
Whether all CPL teams would enter? I don't know. Magued can say yes - his team ranks up there in the top 5 7's in the world!
How about this - The Millennium Series of Events? Oh, thats what we used to have.
Fair enough Missy, I needed to be drawn on that one as my ambiguity could be construed that I was fishing around! I can confirm however that I am a bit washed up and a bit of a has been
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....and you played at a level that most people can only dream of mate ..... any hasbeen is far better than a neverbeen, that's my take on things Mark.
You won't get any dissenters around here!
Its a shame we can't get any leverage to express our opinions more, playing tourneys for 10 or more years and then all that knowledge lost effectively.
Mark, don't underestimate yourself mate, lots of people know full well who you are and the sort of guy you are...the fact you have bothered posting on here and the subject matter you concerned yourself with won't go unnoticed I can tell ya.
They might well ignore me for obvious reasons but they can't ignore you because they see you as a more reasoned voice (and a lot less difficult to deal with
) and perhaps a lot more representative.These pages of P8ntballer.com are EXTREMELY influential because almost all of the industry come visit at one time or another; they may not reveal themselves but I know they visit.
Very little escapes me ........
Maybe my words came across in a way that was more argumentative than they were meant. I merely wanted to express that, in my opinion, this question was tainted with more than just a subtle curiosity on your part. It is hard to imagine that someone in your position, and with your track record on certain issues, would just post up a question like this without a) Already knowing what the vast majority are going to say and b)without having a secondary argument already lined up.
It would appear that as this thread has progressed, we are beginning to see the true reasons behind it. As people are proving, they are more interested in single, one off events at the cost of overall series contentions. There are a very select few who take the mill series seriously, and these can be found across the levels. But it is clear (and i think you knew this) that people play them for the experience and not the progression they may or may not offer.
This echoes a previous argument you made, where you mentioned ( i hope i have this right) that there are not many true tournament ballers out there. In the UK scene in particular you believed that the majority were rec ballers caught up in the wrong part of our sport. This thread seems to be the next step to that argument. People are playing the leagues for the wrong reasons and the millennium havent grasped this.
This thread is beginning to show people play for the event experience and not the series standings at the end of the year. I think you already knew this when you posted up the question.
I also believe that there is a secondary part that follows from this. Those that do want to take it seriously should still have the opportunity to do so. By opening up the leagues to a series of single events where the leagues are no longer locked, the yanks would be able (if financially possible) to come over and play. This would cement your argument about needing the yanks to come over and allow it to happen.
You have already called for certain people to use their contacts and make this kind of event happen, using the positive feed back you have generated from this thread. To me, in my opinion, this highlights the fact that you were a few steps ahead of your own argument when you posted this up. Otherwise, as mentioned, why would a poll not have sufficed. I am not calling you a liar, i just do not accept some of what you have said as the whole truth.
It would appear that as this thread has progressed, we are beginning to see the true reasons behind it. As people are proving, they are more interested in single, one off events at the cost of overall series contentions. There are a very select few who take the mill series seriously, and these can be found across the levels. But it is clear (and i think you knew this) that people play them for the experience and not the progression they may or may not offer.
This echoes a previous argument you made, where you mentioned ( i hope i have this right) that there are not many true tournament ballers out there. In the UK scene in particular you believed that the majority were rec ballers caught up in the wrong part of our sport. This thread seems to be the next step to that argument. People are playing the leagues for the wrong reasons and the millennium havent grasped this.
This thread is beginning to show people play for the event experience and not the series standings at the end of the year. I think you already knew this when you posted up the question.
I also believe that there is a secondary part that follows from this. Those that do want to take it seriously should still have the opportunity to do so. By opening up the leagues to a series of single events where the leagues are no longer locked, the yanks would be able (if financially possible) to come over and play. This would cement your argument about needing the yanks to come over and allow it to happen.
You have already called for certain people to use their contacts and make this kind of event happen, using the positive feed back you have generated from this thread. To me, in my opinion, this highlights the fact that you were a few steps ahead of your own argument when you posted this up. Otherwise, as mentioned, why would a poll not have sufficed. I am not calling you a liar, i just do not accept some of what you have said as the whole truth.
That may be true Robbo but don't you, and many others feel like we are p#ssing in the wind sometimes?Mark, don't underestimate yourself mate, lots of people know full well who you are and the sort of guy you are...the fact you have bothered posting on here and the subject matter you concerned yourself with won't go unnoticed I can tell ya.
They might well ignore me for obvious reasons but they can't ignore you because they see you as a more reasoned voice (and a lot less difficult to deal with
These pages of P8ntballer.com are EXTREMELY influential because almost all of the industry come visit at one time or another; they may not reveal themselves but I know they visit.
Very little escapes me ........
I still have a large circle of paintballing friends, in all divisions. I speak to most of them regularly and have seen, over the last year or two many of them slip into retirement way before their time. Why? because they dont get VFM. Its not a perception of lack of VFM, they know they arent getting it.
The essence of where I think this thread could lead is the realisation that for a large portion of the paying Joe player, they want more than just going through the motions of playing their peers at 4 or 5 big events a year.
The £300,£400 or even £500 they spend on an event has got to deliver more. Paintball isnt at a stage yet that warrants locked divisions, sport type overbearing organisation etc imho.
The 'Spectacle' has been superceded by what we have now and I think alot of players don't get the excitement of old. They can still see great games, they can still see great matches but these are few and far between. The weekend doesnt seem to culminate in a 'Show'.
Without the 'Show' where is the incentive to play for the masses? The elite will play whatever, they have their own agenda. The guys that provide the bulk of the entry fees are dissafected and there is only one way to get them back on side.
Give them a SHOW!!