Legacy out of NXL, LTZ to follow

[Markie C]

Has pure promotion's dropped out of the nppl now ???

 

[bryan]

too many pro teams!! stream line the top end of the sport and focus the budget on growing a global product. Robbo is right!! steps need to be taken to reduce the costs of pb for entry level ballers as well as tournie guys who wana shot 30-40 cases of paint in a day or 2.

 

[Markie C]

I was going to write a post the other day asking "Do we fund the pro playing paintball".

But i thought not to because i might get flamed.

So do we ?

As in the fact that we pay x amount for a box of paint adn then the pro shoot x amount of paint but for free.

It just seemed funny that how certain paint companys sponsor most of the high levels of teams and their prices are so high for a box of paint ?

 

[Dannefaerd]

The paint issue is a minor one (albeit close to our heart). In the end anything you are buying (paintball related) is funding the sponsored teams of those products - paint is just near and dear to our hearts.

I can't recall who did the "rough budget" in PGi a few months ago - I think from memory it was Baca - but it highlighted the costs to run a team in both the PSP & NPPL. And you're talking big dollars (without the additional costs of training, etc) ...

Now take into consideration that sponsors are funding that for 16 teams in PSP & 18 teams in NPPL at just the pro level (more or less). Where does the go/no-go decision get made by a sponsor that the return (i.e. product sales/brand awareness) is not sufficient to the expense (the cost of sponsorship) and pulls the plug? We've seen the result now with Legacy and LTZ ... and more will follow before X-mas I am sure.

At the end of the day DYE & SP (to take two examples) will not tolerate keeping multiple teams on the books - the return will not justify it. Hell I'd expect that SP (worst case) would rationalise down to three pro teams maximum (Legion, Dynasty & Philly).

C'mon - someone else must have an opinion here

 

[Baca Loco]

Here's another complication for you, Dannefaerd. Who does TV follow?
In Boston the FSN guys were following around and filming select Pro team on and off the field. So what happens to the TV product when Pro teams start dropping by the wayside? Will the league(s) step in one way or another to try and stabilize the situation or simply let's the chips fall where they may? Or is the very fact some Pro teams will appear on TV validation for their sponsors of the expenditures supporting those teams?

And just what is the NPPL's Big Plan? (Boston was a miserable venue and registration was down over last year's numbers.)

 

[Robbo]

And just what is the NPPL's Big Plan?

The question isn't 'And just what is the NPPL's Big Plan'?, because the NPPL is part of the big plan ...... if you wanna know what's going on then think 'Hoover' and if you can work that out I'd be impressed

And to help you along a little further ... think pyramid...think outside of the box ....think, who could be the new Pharaoh?



Have fun !


PS I directed this reply to all readers not to Paul (Baca) alone because I know Paul well enough to know he will suss it soon enough

 

[Baca Loco]

The question isn't 'And just what is the NPPL's Big Plan'?, because the NPPL is part of the big plan ...... if you wanna know what's going on then think 'Hoover' and if you can work that out I'd be impressed

And to help you along a little further ... think pyramid...think outside of the box ....think, who could be the new Pharaoh?



Have fun !


PS I directed this reply to all readers not to Paul (Baca) alone because I know Paul well enough to know he will suss it soon enough

Thanks, Pete. I do have a fair idea. I simply put it in the NPPL context as shorthand.

It does however seem to me that paintball has had a regular chorus line of Big Plan's over recent years and the abiding feature of all of them is that a rather small group is aware of the particulars and everyone else is expected to get with the program. I'm up for getting with the program if somebody would lay it out for me but at this point I'm more than a little suspicious of the next pig in a poke. And if it's a really Big Plan just tell me how it's good for paintball as that's the only part I really care about but until I know I'm avoiding all and sundry bandwagons.

 

[ChuckC]

Legacy actually paid the money to be a "franchise" of the NXL...right?

If I remember correctly, they weren't an original team, but when they joined the rumor was Gary forked out the money to purchase a place in the league.

LTZ...I have no idea how they got in. They went from DII straight to the NXL...so I know the NXL didn't come asking them to join...thus I'm thinking they must have bought their way in as well.

So what happens to the NXL, now? Are these two spots up for sale? If so, is anyone buying?

 

[Dannefaerd]

Who does TV follow?
In Boston the FSN guys were following around and filming select Pro team on and off the field. So what happens to the TV product when Pro teams start dropping by the wayside? Will the league(s) step in one way or another to try and stabilize the situation or simply let's the chips fall where they may?
And just what is the NPPL's Big Plan? (Boston was a miserable venue and registration was down over last year's numbers.)

Interesting - hadn't thought of that angle. The Fox deal (in the short term) at least would seem safe - since teams are looking to exit the expense of the PSP events ... and the target market for the product (i.e. general non-playing public) won't know what's been going on for the last little while - ignorance is bliss

Or is the very fact some Pro teams will appear on TV validation for their sponsors of the expenditures supporting those teams?

Could be - but only at the very top of the Pro level . I'd be keen to understand what measurement mechanism that sponsors of teams are putting in place to track any sales that MIGHT result from the TV coverage.

The question isn't 'And just what is the NPPL's Big Plan'?, because the NPPL is part of the big plan ...... if you wanna know what's going on then think 'Hoover'

One man pulling the strings Or a reference to Hoovers plan to take the States out of the Depression by ensuring the economic health of major banks and industries, trusting that their continued functioning would spread benefits to the working masses. .... close?

I'm up for getting with the program if somebody would lay it out for me but at this point I'm more than a little suspicious of the next pig in a poke.

As is anyone who owns a team/involved financially in the industry I would guess.

 

[Robbo]

Thanks, Pete. I do have a fair idea. I simply put it in the NPPL context as shorthand.

It does however seem to me that paintball has had a regular chorus line of Big Plan's over recent years and the abiding feature of all of them is that a rather small group is aware of the particulars and everyone else is expected to get with the program. I'm up for getting with the program if somebody would lay it out for me but at this point I'm more than a little suspicious of the next pig in a poke. And if it's a really Big Plan just tell me how it's good for paintball as that's the only part I really care about but until I know I'm avoiding all and sundry bandwagons.

Paul, I think the difference this time is mate, the guy in question isn't one of the 'old guard' and can be seen, for practical purposes, as a neutral.
Now, I am not saying this gives him a carte blanche to do whatever he wants but it does have a little more chance than previous endeavours.

And Paul, you must also remember, the industry landscape has somewhat changed in the past 3 or 4 years and so, where companies before, might have knee-jerked toward the negative, perhaps their new management structures will be a little more receptive.
We live in hope mate.

Dannefaerd : Sorry mate, not even close, I will prod you in a different direction, if you think vacuum cleaner you inevitably think Hoover......