A Wind of Change
- Thread starter Robbo
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Many of you are missing the point of the thread. It's not about how to make tournament popular, but what the industry is going to do. Given that we're seeing more corporate governence, do you really think the people who hold the purse strings wanna see money poured into the bottomless pit of tournament?
Everything being suggested has been tried time and time again, your hardly original. Paintball is a particpation sport, you have to play it too enjoy it. You're all so convinced by your own numpty granduer, you've forgotten you mostly look like twits twiggling your fingers behind a bunker. You need to watch about 8hrs of tournament paintball to see 3 mins of exciting bits. It just don't work for the masses. Being heavily subsidised by the industry can't go on for ever, and you've gotta start paying for yourselves.
There will always be tournament paintball, but now it's going to have to compete with the area of Paintball that appeals to the masses...make believe war.
Everything being suggested has been tried time and time again, your hardly original. Paintball is a particpation sport, you have to play it too enjoy it. You're all so convinced by your own numpty granduer, you've forgotten you mostly look like twits twiggling your fingers behind a bunker. You need to watch about 8hrs of tournament paintball to see 3 mins of exciting bits. It just don't work for the masses. Being heavily subsidised by the industry can't go on for ever, and you've gotta start paying for yourselves.
There will always be tournament paintball, but now it's going to have to compete with the area of Paintball that appeals to the masses...make believe war.
more corporate governence can be exploited...
i mean, yeh it maybe people twiddling their fingers behing bunkers. But as someone said earlier, it appeals to AT LEAST the younger audience...
the same could be said about football, you may have 2 minutes in a game celebrating a goal and the rest just sat there in the cold? the aim of that is to kick a ball... does paintball not look more glamerous than that?
tournament may be portrayed as the ELITE of the entire paintball scene, from woodsball which is played by newbies and normal punters as such to the big leagues.
By using corporate guidance, wouldnt that mean more money --> bigger venues?
in the long term, increasing the population of paintball would reduce the price of playing maybe? due to mass production and economies of scale as such.
Errr nope, not sure how long you have been playing, but Tournament has been a bottomless pit for years. It doesn't yield enough from all the cash pumped in to it.
It's easy to increase Paintball attendence and money for the big companies: put Saving Private Ryan on the TV, bang the sites are packed at the weekend. If you can convert these casual players into more regular players say 4-5 times a year your onto a winner. But you want to keep them at the rec / customer level where they yield a higher return than the Tournament player who gets everything close to cost.
Business is about margins. Why pander to 900 tournament players who yield 5% over cost, when you can cater to thousands upon thousand at 50-60% above cost. If there were 10's of thousand Tournament players, you might be prepared to go with the lower margin's but theres not. It'll take a Jedi Mind trick and a half to turn this situation around.
sorry but cricket springs to mind? I know I'll get flamed for this but, thats dull, thats not a spectator sport, but it gets TV coverage. Golf, that really isn't a spectator sport. both of these are on television because their sponsors push for it. I'm not convinced by any "numpty granduer" i was merely throwing suggestions in. Robbo seemed to start this thread with the goal of sparking some discussion and debate, OK, we have moved slightly off topic but it happens. why is everyone assuming that the players must benefit directly from sponsorship for it to be sponsorship. sponsorship does not just mean free paint and some guns. instead it can lower costs for those putting on tournament, enabling them to get better facilities ect, big brand sponsorship can also open doors to other high profile things. I know these are all just ideas and suggestions but what else are we meant to do on a forum!
one last thing, you suggest theres no margins in tournament paintball, but if you look at the life span of kit in torny vs rec, you'll see its a lot shorter. some tourny players seem to have at least 2 guns a season, rec players will keep their a5 for life, so they may add a stock, not really the same is it
golf, cricket.
two of the highest played sports in the world, thats what gets them on t.v.
the best way of making money in paintball is to push the woodland side of it, this is what i see most large companies doing in the furture,
and with this torney sponsership will come down to teams that prove themselves, meaning that tourney paintball will become far to expensive for most.
two of the highest played sports in the world, thats what gets them on t.v.
the best way of making money in paintball is to push the woodland side of it, this is what i see most large companies doing in the furture,
and with this torney sponsership will come down to teams that prove themselves, meaning that tourney paintball will become far to expensive for most.
I seem to remember hearing in the past that almost the only way in which sites make their money from punters is through the cost of paint. And as such those punters try and use as little as possible.
Now if companies were to invest more in and concentrate more on punter sites then they will all have to concentrate on making the cheapest paint possible so they can have the highest profit margin as possible. There is limited room in the market for site paint, so there is limited profits in it, as if there are so many sites then each will have limited turn out.
These "big games" and such have the turn out they do because they do not happen once a month and are only in one place. In contrast there are many different tournaments on at different times and in different places, so they are bound to have less people at each.
Now if companies were to invest more in and concentrate more on punter sites then they will all have to concentrate on making the cheapest paint possible so they can have the highest profit margin as possible. There is limited room in the market for site paint, so there is limited profits in it, as if there are so many sites then each will have limited turn out.
These "big games" and such have the turn out they do because they do not happen once a month and are only in one place. In contrast there are many different tournaments on at different times and in different places, so they are bound to have less people at each.
would appropriate sponsors at paintball events not increase the profit?
maybe the problem at the moment is the sport IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ACHIEVE THIS. due to awareness.
yes in the short term, rec sites and such will keep the business going.
but look at some of the events of paintball at the moment (ie millenium) and consider the turnout. Compare this to the FA Cup around 100 years ago.Every sport has to start somewhere does it not?
so with positive thinking, look how paintball has grown over the past 30 years... its now international.
is this debate arguing are we at a brick wall? Because there are new people all the time entering the sport. Just not quick enough...
maybe the problem at the moment is the sport IS NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ACHIEVE THIS. due to awareness.
yes in the short term, rec sites and such will keep the business going.
but look at some of the events of paintball at the moment (ie millenium) and consider the turnout. Compare this to the FA Cup around 100 years ago.Every sport has to start somewhere does it not?
so with positive thinking, look how paintball has grown over the past 30 years... its now international.
is this debate arguing are we at a brick wall? Because there are new people all the time entering the sport. Just not quick enough...