Joy Stockholm official comment on OC NPPL

[Nick Brockdorff]

The problem with your suggestion Paul, is the same that plagued the NXL.

In the current paintball environment, without a lot of punter teams, you get no spectators.

I were not advocating that everything else is scraped away from the current events - this is not a black and white issue... I was saying that many of the things money go into today, like renting big stadiums, free stuff, etc.

I am saying, tone it down a bit, save on all the superficial stuff - and pay refs more.

Once refs can make real money reffing events - you will get to choose between the best - many of them former top players, that like to still be affiliated... and those are the best refs... not some field ref with no top level experience.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the rules or with the commitment of the current refs - just that - apart from a few exceptions - the people best suited for reffing at top level won't do the job, for a bed, and couple of free Gatorades and pocket change

Nick

 

[Baca Loco]

The problem with your suggestion Paul, is the same that plagued the NXL.

In the current paintball environment, without a lot of punter teams, you get no spectators.

I were not advocating that everything else is scraped away from the current events - this is not a black and white issue... I was saying that many of the things money go into today, like renting big stadiums, free stuff, etc.

I am saying, tone it down a bit, save on all the superficial stuff - and pay refs more.

Once refs can make real money reffing events - you will get to choose between the best - many of them former top players, that like to still be affiliated... and those are the best refs... not some field ref with no top level experience.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the rules or with the commitment of the current refs - just that - apart from a few exceptions - the people best suited for reffing at top level won't do the job, for a bed, and couple of free Gatorades and pocket change

Nick

I think you misunderstand, Nick. Regional series like the CFOA routinely have 100 plus teams in attendance and if a Pro Circuit appearance was a once a year special event accompanied by an expanded national suite of vendors there would be plenty of peeps present.

The NXL presumed that if you fake it TV will come. This is nothing like that. Nor is it realistically something that could be done overnight but before anything significant changes the paradigm needs to be changed first.

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Yeah, I got the whole "local feeder series" thing

But, I'm not really sure sponsors and teams would like a bunch of local events, and then one big national event - as opposed to what we have now.

For sponsors it would mean going to more events (yes, arguably they might employ local distributors to do the local ones - but those often don't have the infrastructure to do it right) - and for teams it would mean fewer chances to play at the highest level.

In theory, the idea is sound - but practically, I think both industry and teams would dislike it.



Nick

 

[Baca Loco]

Yeah, I got the whole "local feeder series" thing

But, I'm not really sure sponsors and teams would like a bunch of local events, and then one big national event - as opposed to what we have now.

For sponsors it would mean going to more events (yes, arguably they might employ local distributors to do the local ones - but those often don't have the infrastructure to do it right) - and for teams it would mean fewer chances to play at the highest level.

In theory, the idea is sound - but practically, I think both industry and teams would dislike it.



Nick

Hey, maybe so, Nick. I'm not suggesting this is the final answer or even the answer. I'm just suggesting an alternative to the present course which doesn't seem to working all that well.

And again, it isn't local--it's regional. Using CFOA for example (again) they get teams from 5 or 6 surrounding states and they also get a decent vendor presence. If you reached a place where there were 6 - 10 regional series operating using the same format and rules the big vendors follow the Pro Circuit so they aren't doing more than at present but are they are targeting different ballers each time which is only partly true now.
Regarding the teams--so what? What does playing at the highest level really mean to the vast majority of currently competing teams? Right now it's basically meaningless because it's your bank balance that is the deciding factor, not your ability. If however teams earned the right to compete on a national or international stage then it would mean something. Besides, my concept promotes more paintball being played, not less, for less money across the board and encourages more teams to get involved (unless of course they aren't really interested in the competition so much as the party).
My point is if you want paintball to be a sport perhaps it needs to be treated as one from the foundation up, not the top down.

 

[Chicago]

I'm warming up to Baca's idea.

I see three roadblocks:

- Availability of paintball fields large enough to hold these regional events, AND the Pro field, AND the increased participation resulting from it being one of the 'Pro' stops.
- The massive amounts of people who want to play events that arn't at paintball fields
- If this is going to work, EVERYONE has to agree to not run PSP/NPPL-style events. If someone is willing to keep losing money doing that, then people are going to keep going to them. And I just don't see the paintball powers that be agreeing on anything.

 

[MissyQ]

- If this is going to work, EVERYONE has to agree to not run PSP/NPPL-style events. If someone is willing to keep losing money doing that, then people are going to keep going to them. And I just don't see the paintball powers that be agreeing on anything.

Everyone except Jerry, it would seem. Maybe Baca thinks he needs the money?

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Ah ok - I misunderstood anyway

I thought you meant regional qualifiers for one big national event.

Regional events, with the top division travelling from event to event would definitely work.

But, I kinda fail to see how that would be different from what we are doing now, except making each event smaller than it is today?

I mean, it would be like now, except more geographically diverse (which you can do with the current setup too if you want)?

Nick

P.S. - MAN this is getting far away from the Joy/Dynasty issue

 

[beanbag83]

P.S. - MAN this is getting far away from the Joy/Dynasty issue

Threadjacks are aloud when performed by the Mods/Admins!

 

[Chicago]

It would be different because your events would be at locations like paintball fields instead of locations like stadiums.

It's far cheaper to run an MAO-style event than a HB-style event.


But I don't see this happening absent reunification at least - one of two leagues can't regress, has to be double or nothing.

 

[Baca Loco]

But, I kinda fail to see how that would be different from what we are doing now, except making each event smaller than it is today?

I mean, it would be like now, except more geographically diverse (which you can do with the current setup too if you want)?

P.S. - MAN this is getting far away from the Joy/Dynasty issue

It's different in some critical ways. It can be structured in a much more financially viable form. It supports grassroots paintball instead of competing against it. It sets a different, Sport-like standard for the game. It encourages all the things you paintball as Sport guys want; unified formats and rules, etc. It would also mean the teams competing at the regional level are focused on a bigger goal--getting to WC--which promotes PB as sport and builds the "right" sort of competitive structure in an environment where more teams can compete because it's cheaper and easier to do.
C'mon, Nick, this is about a lot more than what the tourney looks like.

Been there, dealt with that already. OC is old news and that situation has been resolved, at least as much as it's gonna get resolved. Move on.