Speedball vs Woodsball marker

[big JME]

The whole look like a soldier thing isnt what im going for. when i first started the omega was my best option for the money. Now im considering a new marker but from everything said above there is no point since all guns perform about the same with maintenance. so if im going to go spend £400 on a new marker and then more on a new rotor and tank i need a good reason, thats why im looking into it so much. i want something that will last which can be either style, but right now it proves that its all down to what features you want (e-trigger) and if you dont need that why spend the money on it? I have to analyse everything before spending a good £750 on something i may not need if my marker can be made to do the same

 

[Tom]

Couple of things on hoppers:
With basic gravity hoppers you wont have a problem if you naturally 'agitate'
Eg movement will allow the paint to flow, with pump markers the movement will give enough shake, blow back mechanicals will have a little kick which may percent jams
You may notice some seasoned players have a slight twitch and give a little shake every now and then

There are quite a few old school designs on gravity hoppers to minimise jams, the current version being the proto primo which has a shelf that prevents jams
When the primo came out one of our guys bought one as he had forgotten his hopper, because of his feedback most of the guys then bought one.
It is a good price and saves on going for a higher priced electric hopper and he need for batteries
It would not cope with high rates of fire though

On electric hoppers there are a few options. Between gravity and force fed there are agitate hoppers
Sometimes people don't realise the difference and think all electrics are force fed
A force feed does what it says on the tin. It literally forces paint into the feed, and stops awaiting a shot. When you shoot and the bolt goes back the next paintball is pushed straight into place.
For very high rates of fire this is essential, otherwise the marker has to wait for the next paintball
Is some cases a 'slow' feed results in breaks as it fires while the paintball is still dropping. This should not happen these days with eyes etc, but you may switch the eyes off

Between gravity and force fed there are electrically agitated hoppers
These tend to spin arms in the hopper to move the paintballs, and probably have a sensor in the neck, if there are paintballs in the neck they don't spin, if there is a gap they spin to unjam paint.
Effectivly they are still gravity fed hoppers with an agitator
A problem is that when paint gets low they may 'pop corn' and just throw the paint around in the hopper therefore making it worse then a gravity feed.
They may also be noisy, starting an electric motor after every shot
(if yoy try to hide and fire single shots so people may hear your shot but not pinpoint you the motor then gives you away after the shot)

 

[big JME]

thanks so is a dye rotor an electric or agitated hopper? i currently use a very cheap gravity fed hopper which has issues when its full since the paintballs cant really move even when you shake it

 

[GRIMLOCK]

Rotors are force fed hoppers along with most of todays designs as agitated hoppers have started to phase out since their fundamentally useless.

 

[big JME]

ok thanks, i will let everyone know how my marker is after its been taken apart and given some proper maintenance and see if there is a change. Will prove a point

 

[Talfryn]

Now im considering a new marker but from everything said above there is no point since all guns perform about the same with maintenance

Not true, better guns will be softer on paint resulting in less breaks, reach greater rates of fire, have less kick, use less air, be quicker to maintain and offer a whole range of benefits.

right now it proves that its all down to what features you want (e-trigger)

Don't think you understand totally what an etrigger is. Etriggers are whats found normally on blowback guns which trip the sear electronically often using a small motor or magnets. Most torni guns are electro pneumatic which is completely different to what you are currently using but I'll leave someone else to explain what that is.

 

[big JME]

I only play woodsball so the no need for e-trigger is the reason for me putting that, i cant use it on my local site so no need getting a marker with it if i can use it or may not use it, that has not put me off it though since i may want it when i play against others on walkon days.

The no need for a more expensive marker was also explained. Using my omega in the woods i have no real need for tournament balls unless i was having problems with them not popping, so my market doesnt pop any paint, well hasnt yet and its shot over 4000. I will still most likely upgrade, but the point was to help break things down for myself and others. I will be going for a larger 1.5 or 2l 4500psi air bottle, should give me a good 1800 shots even with my omega. and i will be going for a dye rotor purely for the durability.

My reason to upgrade is mainly down the wanting something new, my point was that if you have a marker such as my own, you physically have no need and dont want electronic then get a cheaper marker without it. If your worried about efficiency decide if you want a cheaper marker and larger tank, or more expensive more efficient marker and a smaller tank, only really applies when your on a budget, but its all personal choice. Im not saying dont upgrade, this just proves that you only buy what you need, if you know you will never play speedball, and will never need firing modes, why spend £150 extra and buy with with it?

 

[Tom]

i currently use a very cheap gravity fed hopper which has issues when its full since the paintballs cant really move even when you shake it

With any hopper there will be issues with filling to the brim, always leave a little space to allow the balls to move.

 

[big JME]

thats what i have learnt to do

 

[big JME]

i will eventually be going for the upgrade, this thread has helped me get my mind around paintballing in a totally different way. i set out to try and understand what type of marker is "best" and have come round to realising where i have been going wrong. Since i brought my marker i have neglected a very important part, maintenance. With my omega, to maintain the marker takes a huge amount of effort. Since its the 2012 style they have added in 2 bolts that hold the sight one, these are not UK and the allen keys were not supplied with the marker. I have added oil into the gap where the marker is cocked but still have yet to take the entire marker apart since i need a US allen key. I have been able to get one that will fit but im going to leave it to the site to check out first. I have a feeling the internals need stripping, oiling and maybe some o-rings replaced and thats why im having such trouble

when i do upgrade im going to go for easily maintained, which to me now really is a speedball marker. So my upgrade list will be;

Dye rotor - £160
Eclipse Etek4 LT - £388
SAFER 2L 4500psi air tank - £180 - should give me roughly 2400shots from one fill up, plenty enough for an entire day

Either a;
Dye throttle 4500psi preset regulator - £75
ninja 4500psi regulator - £50
or would you recommend another?

unsure which you would recommend?
since the SAFER air tank is 321mm long, i will be removing my remote line as using the bottle as a "stock" so i can rest it on my shoulder like i was recommended.