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Speedball vs Woodsball marker

big JME

Crimson Skulls
May 3, 2012
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ok i've just spent a while looking at reviews for the crossover. It has the setting i need for restrictions on my site (off - semi - auto) and seems rather accurate but noone is showing long range shots past 60ft which sucks since woodsball back line players like myself are shooting further then that by rather a lot. Noise isnt an issue for me if i havent said before as im a back-line player and my omega is noisey as hell anyway. range, efficiency, and accuracy are my main points which a lot cover and all seem to be very close in price/efficiency so its mainly down to looks and personal choice by the looks of things at that price range.
 

Humanbeersponge

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Range is always going to be pretty much the same as that is driven by the velocity which is generally 280fps in the woods, for accuracy a decent barrel kit allowing you to match the size of the paint with the internal of the barrel will help. Some barrels like hammerheads (rifled) are said to give increased range or an apex will give increased range by adding spin but you will loose accuracy over longer range and have limited effect as shots will bounce rather than break on an opponent.
 

big JME

Crimson Skulls
May 3, 2012
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www.CrimsonSkulls.co.uk
my omega was suppose to be getting an apex2 tip but ive changed my mind now. The velocity of my marker is set to 280fps. i just measured my test range at home and it will accurately shoot 35' totally accurate with enough force to smash the back of a plastic box. i cant test at longer ranges at home due to having a stupid tree in the way (thanks to my parents) and the site is a pain to test on due to being unable to measure the distance

one thing many people have said to me is that the gun is going to effect range. Now i feel rather daft since i do physics and know that it wont have much of an effect unless the ball is able to have a spin of sorts added (didnt even think about that)

due to the dip im getting, with the velocity i have its hard to explain and i just cant see why its so bad, will see how it changes when its been stripped apart. I originally came on here looking to find a way to link multiple air tanks, then was convinced into buying a new air tank, then into a new marker XD as you can tell i am easily talked into things like this. in all honesty rate of fire doesnt bother me as in the woods your hardly out long enough to need a string of paint. the trigger i have is rather stiff, but i like the look of the electric triggers from the speedball markers due to them being much smaller and easier to use quickly. But i am stuck now as like it has been pointed out, the marker isnt going to effect range much, better accuracy will be great for me but is it worth £400? accuracy will keep the ball flying straighter for longer i know, the balls out my marker seem to start to role quickly and other paintballers who i have shot at have said the paintballs just seem to fly quickly at them and lose velocity and drop infront of their feet like it loses all power. i know if i want really good range and accuracy i need first strike but no way am i spending that sort of money on paint

i think i need a bit more convincing. i am a pain i know but i will need convincing completely before sticking to buying a new marker. Hopefully this thread will help others in my situation later on as i couldnt find any proper debates discussiong improvements compared to if its worth it etc.

also if anyone else would be able to compare the accuracy and range of their markers that would be great just to prove the point. Lots of videos showing the rate of fire but thats about it. So statistics would be great, i.e. rough range both accurate and just long distance. and if anyone else has a milsim marker like myself and a speedball, comparisons would be great in any form, a video would be awesome
 
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Humanbeersponge

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My advise would be get yourself to a big game, you will find plenty of people who will be willing to let you have a go with their markers and if you have no joy with the omega from the shop then maybe there would be someone who can help there.

What length barrel have you got on it?
 

big JME

Crimson Skulls
May 3, 2012
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That has been a great help, so getting a new barrel wont change things atall, 2 peice will make it quieter and slightly more consistent but 2 peices cost a lot more and only really look nice on a speedball marker. Optimal barrel is 12-14" which mine currently is a 14" so its currently optimal besides buying a 12" which wouldnt fit my shroud.

I saw another comparison video comparing guns to barrels to velocity, all had the same results at the same velocity. So facts prove that markers are all around the same and the only real difference is operating pressures which changes the effeciency of the marker. But still we find some markers that shoot considerable more accurate but there should be no difference, no way of knowing why, perhaps its all down to maintenance? This thread is helping me a lot and hopefully will help others too, so far ive found what ever marker you buy will be about the same so its all down to size, looks, durability, efficiency, and price

But what you can save from buying a cheaper marker you can buy a larger tank so efficiency isnt a concern

Also what does the accuracy data show? I take it the x and y is how far its moved off dead straight? so closer to 0 is better for both?
 
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big JME

Crimson Skulls
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true. So when going for a marker you have the following to consider;

Sound; the noise the barrel and bolt makes can have an effect when playing woodsball and scenario games. This only effects playing style since long range players or close range players dont need a quiet marker, only those that are more likely to hide from the opposing team. As speedball is close and often very quick, the sound of the marker often has no effect and is only down to your personal choice.

Durability; some markers are not very durable and will break quickly, so always check to see how durable the brand is, tippmann and bt are often highly durable due to having a single frame (i.e. two halves which join). Going for a more durable marker is a must in woodsball because of diving for cover, risk of tripping etc.

Efficiency; Most markers have different effeciency due to operating pressures. Speedball markers often have better efficiency due to having extra regulators which cause very low pressure usage meaning less air is used. This is only the case for air as Co2 is not regulated. In many cases when you need high shot counts go for the largest bottle you can. often the money saved on a cheaper less efficient marker can be the price of a large air bottle so efficiency is all down to what you want or prefer

Weight; speedball markers are often much lighter then woodsball, the more you spend on a speedball marker the more durable yet lighter material you get (i.e. carbon fibre). woodsball markers are often heavy and designed to be close weight to the real gun or just heavy for the cosmetic look, this is all dead weight so heavier markers dont mean better parts! Due to the weight of woodsball markers you will often want a remote line to save the weight of the bottle, this should be considered before buying as they can be expensive and require a belt or pack to hold them on your waist or back.

Speed; woodsball is a close game so players need to be able to put down a large number of shots whilst running in order to stay in the game. Speedball markers are often supplied with e-triggers which allow for firing modes such as 3 round burst, or full automatic. woodsball markers can be upgraded to take e-triggers and only more expensive woodsball markers come with them as standard. These often contain eyes which detect when a paintball is in the breach and ready to be shot to prevent popping paintballs in the barrel. These are not seen in woodsball markers or are very rarely with modifications

Barrels; lighter barrels are often much more expensive then heavier ones due to the material they are made of, some barrels can be well over £100 yet only as good as a cheaper barrel. over a 14" is not recommended due to it just adding more weight and lowering efficiency so smaller barels are often prefered and add extra manuverability. Barrel length does not effect accuracy or range in any way so dont be convinced into buying a 21" barrel thinking its better then a 14". Stock barrels can often be cheaply made compared to after market barrels. the only difference between the two is that some may be machined with a smoother barrel causing less friction. Others have vents at the end which is used to allow the air or Co2 to escape, these can allow more consistency, and prevent an un-wanted spin being added to the paintball as it leaves the marker. These are also able to reduce the sound due to splitting the released air

Air source; Co2 or Air? Co2 is often more volatile to weather due to expanding, this can cause pressure spikes (causing velocity changes) however provides more shots for the money. if you value consistency however avoid Co2, consistency can be helped by buying a expansion chamber which allows the Co2 to expand more before being fired. Air operates at either high or low pressure, the output pressure is controlled by a regulator, often cheaper markers operate with only high pressure however some operate under low pressure. many speedball markers with internal regulators will accept both high or low pressures. As a regulator is used, air is released consistently at that pressure allowing more consistent shots, in tern allowing consistent velocity causing paintballs landing in the same or roughly the same area.

Loader style; loaders can be gravity fed or force loaders. Gravity fed often have poor ball rates, and often causes miss-fires due to no paintball in the breach. Other markers such as some tippmann's have a built in force loader which is not very quick however offers less miss-fires due to balls being forced into the breach. Other markers such as most seen have a feed neck, this will take both gravity fed loaders and force feed loaders. Force feed loaders of this sort can be chosen with a wide range of balls per second, again some are faster then others and some offer much better durability so make sure you do your research! Faster force feed loaders run on batteries or can run off a direct air line such as the tippmann style, fast balls per second is only often needed when using e-triggers as semi-automatic markers are unable to keep up with quick loaders (some reaching 50+ balls per second)

Maintenance; some markers offer easier maintenance then others. Maintenance is very important for a marker as poor maintenance will cause wear to the marker and can cause poor accuracy and velocity fluctuations. Speedball markers often offer easier maintenance however most need extra maintenance due to e-triggers (parts can become over used and stop working after time). Good maintenance makes a good markers! some markers are more prone to trouble then others so this should be researched also

Feel; before buying a marker go to a local paintball shop or site and see if you can hold some markers. Speedball and woodsball markers are very different in size so you may prefer one or the other. many players are going more towards speedball markers now due to them being good for both sports however some find that they are too small or too light

Field requirements; depending on the paintball field you want to play at, some only allow single shot semi-automatic and using anything else can get you kicked off site. Many offer specific days for people with their own markers however these are not often but allow for a full range of firing modes to be used. therefore if you are going to switch between speedball and woodsball, and have a field requirement, ensure that your marker has a semi-automatic mode (only applies to markers with e-triggers)

Mechanical or electric; many markers offer either one or the other, however this can be an issue as when using electronic, if the battery runs out mid game your out the game all together where as mechanical markers are still in the running. Some markers are now offer both ways, with semi-automatic mode being mechanical and others being electronic allowing you to remain in the game even if the battery fails or dies. These markers are often much more expensive however good if you go between sports or as said above, have a requirement set by the playing field. Many players are against electronic and so are many fields purely due to the possibility of batteries running out so be aware of this before deciding!

is there anything i have missed? if so please let me know, hopefully that will be a full guide to new players looking to buy their first marker and to existing players such as myself who didnt understand fully the way paintball works.
 
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Game

Doing men things to men in the woods atm
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Any paintball gun is a woodsball gun seen every size and shape and do think you are over analysing the whole thing just pick a gun you like the look of and be done with it

you have fallen into the clasic "look like solidier argument" someone tried telling me i should be using a milsim marker in the woods thinking I had never played before soon put him in his place