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And in a way, this could solve a lot of tha gripes with PSP/NPPL - I.E. because the big team owners are the PSP promoters, and their teams will be playing outside of the PSP, it eradicates calls of bias by promoters toward their own teams...cos I don't expect for one second that any of tha promoters will step away from promoting their NPPL events.

Now watch all tha Ams/Rookies moan that they don't get to play aginst tha Pros anymore, when really they should be delighted cos tha focus and interest at PSP events will shift toward them and they will have more power and influence...:)
 

Tyger

Old School, New Tricks
Elementary my dear Watson

Originally posted by Nick Iuel-Brockdorff

that leaves the following major teams in no mans land - and a NPPL with a heavily depleted Pro section:

Strange
Dynasty
Lockout
Rage
Fusion
Jacksomville Warriors
OBR
Should I take my bow now, or will you all still say I'm wrong?

Ok, a thought on this from me.

"Dynasty" is Chuck's team. Chuck works for National. National owns X-ball in so many words. Dynasty goes "X"

Jacksonville Warriors, I call them for "X" becasue of hte PGP connection. Paul announced this year's X-Ball. His connectoins to Diablo can't hurt. And, anyone notice they're shooting Cockers and not Automags (breaking away from one of hte ONLY AGD sponsorships!?!) Anyone else ask questions? I call JW going "X".

In fact, anyone who has a strong relationship with NPS (Shooting 'timmys, having a STRONG Diablo sponsorship, and so on) will lean heavy to the "X". The people with OTHER sponsorships will go wher the money says they will.

Paintball is so transparent sometimes...

-Tyger
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Here it comes

Kidz,
It's definitely in the works. Take it to the bank. Will it happen short term? Nobody knows yet--World Cup and Disney display will probably be critical to near term success. (So if you're gonna be in Orlando stay for Sunday and watch those games.)
I'd say we're all pretty close. As to teams, we'll see, but names are just names and the interesting part will be to see how the players fall out in all this.
Word is some directly involved are still resisting a bit--perhaps at the scale of the risk.

Tyg--never disagreed with you my friend on the basics, only on what the ramifications were going to be for the players. (Besides, pulling the tiger's tail is good sport :) )
 
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raehl

Guest
Ok, I'll weigh in...

I'm just going to talk from the standpoint of what it would take to make a pro league work though, not X-Ball in particular, as I don't want anyone confusing this mental excercise with anything that has anything to do with actual events - because frankly I have no clue what's going on anywhere other than the college league, and that I ain't gonna tell ya. ;)

There are probably few people who have sat down and taken as much time to think about what would make a real pro league work as I have - it's a necessary corallary to what would make a real (i.e. free) college league work.

Primarily, one has to realize that professional sports leagues are a business. Nobody cares about who plays, the number one concern is return on investment. NPPL/PSP, primarily, is a contest to see who is the best. No one is making, comparitively, a whole lot of money on NPPL/PSP. Conversely, the Pro league will be a contest to build team equity.

Teams are going to have to have home towns and home fields. Home locations are essential to relating to the audience, and an X-Ball field done right is just one hell of a lot cheaper if you have 8 permanent ones than one you move around all the time - or at least a field that you regularly set up in the same location, kinda like how the United Center doubles for basketball and hockey.

Home locations requite a significant investment. Spectators are not going to take a professional sport seriously that is played at the country fairgrounds. On top of that, you have to pay for the team's paint, practice and travel - and if this is truly a pro league, their salaries. Remember that this is all to create a product - a broadcastable sport - that can be sold. You're not going to get much money for a product that doesn't exist yet that may or may not work, so that means real people are going to have to put lots of money on the line.

Which means you're going to sell legue franchises, and you're going to sell them at the highest price you can that you can find 8 people to pay. That gives you the most investment capital for the league, and you're going to need it - or if not, keep it.

In return for providing the capital, those people get the right to run their own teams, profit from their team, and a share of league profits.

That means the people who end up with teams are going to be those willing to put up the money, and that's going to be virtually the only concern. Whoever is "Selling" the league isn't going to care who his buddy is, if someone he doesn't like is willing to put in another $200k for a piece of the league, they're going to take the 200k. If he doesn't, someone will come along and offer his buddy $200k more than he paid for his share and he'll pocket the $200k and leave.


And these people, again, are going to want one thing: To get their freaking money back. That means they're going to find the best players they can. They're not going to care where they come from, who they play for, or any of that crap - they're going to want the players that will give their team the best shot at getting their money back.


All the conspiracy makes for good gossip, but in the end, rest assured that everyone involved is going to be greedy. Only instead of the short-term-greedy the industry is used to, I suspect we'll see a lot more of the intelligent, long-term type greed come into play. This is not going to work if the people doing it are petty. (coughstevedavidsoncoughusplfailedmiserablycough)


That is all.

- Chris
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
I have read the future in my coffee grinds

and boy is it a mess!
It's Gladiator Deux in the secretive world of X-Ball, kids. It's still eight teams, franchised for an up front fee, to be played side-by-side with the existing series but a separate deal (this seems wrong to me but what do I know?) and the scramble is on for who gets the franchises and who is tied to which teams. The eight aren't set in stone yet and Dynasty isn't out of the mix.
Looks too like I might'a guessed wrong on the draft but if money to players is involved we could still see some serious shake-ups across the pro rosters.
I'm gonna try tea leaves next and see what I get. :D
 
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raehl

Guest
Geez, this isn't rocket science, it's easy to figure this out...

Just ask yourself, "What would Brian Boitono do?"

And you'll have your answer.

- Chris
 
Regarding TV

Franchises will concentrate on cities, so that there is only room for one Franchise in London for instance.
I don't see why, London is the home of one or two top class Football teams, and Spurs :D There's just enough people in London to support that many teams.

Originally posted by Pinky_81
Everybody I know think it is THE most boring thing to watch videos with paintball... I as a paintball-player think they're great, but transfering this to TV I don't think it will be very succesfull - A shame... :(

Pinky
Really, I've just spent the fresher's fair at uni showing people clips of tourney-ball the majority of people thought it looked really cool. All it would need is some treatment like American Football gets in this country, and some decent commentary and it'd be great to watch. After all someone being shot in the back isn't that hard to understand, its gotta hurt!

Richard
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Regarding TV

Originally posted by Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK
I don't see why, London is the home of one or two top class Football teams, and Spurs :D There's just enough people in London to support that many teams.
No doubt true but the issue would be compensation to the original franchise holder and the potential to split the fan base and thus devalue the original franchise. Besides, who siad anything about Euro X-Ball? :D

Originally posted by Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK
Really, I've just spent the fresher's fair at uni showing people clips of tourney-ball the majority of people thought it looked really cool. All it would need is some treatment like American Football gets in this country, and some decent commentary and it'd be great to watch. After all someone being shot in the back isn't that hard to understand, its gotta hurt!
Richard
The other factor that works in p-ball's favor is the fact that media is being rapidly fractured into lots of tiny pieces based on viewer interest (Food Network, Golf Channel, Speed, Travel, House & Garden, at least 5 sports channels, etc.); digital cable television has 150+ channels and satellite 200+ and operating 24/7 is putting increasing demands on content. Done right there is a place for p-ball and enough people who will want to see it.
 

headrock6

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How an all paintball channel would change my life!!

1)After the NY Jets are down by 30 with only 10 mins gone by in the first quarter I could watch paintball..

2)During the baseball playoffs I could turn on the PB network avoiding brawls with my brother the Yankee fan...Which by the way left him with a black eye and me a sprained ankle last night :D

3)When the NY Knicks win 12 games this season i can always crack open an Amstel Light and settle down to a nice cozy game of X-Ball..

Im calling my cable operator immediately..
:D

And Baca ive heard your a Michigan fan so im sure u wouldnt mind it either!!