X-BALL rules

[Stefu]

1-4-1

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
I noticed this over a month ago and asked Steve Morris - he said you were supposed to eliminate the offending player - and put another one in the penalty box.

I double checked with the NXL commish Mike Ratko - who gave me the same answer.

Trouble is - it is NOT the way it is written.

So - either the rules are written wrong - or the commissioners interpret the rules wrong.

Nick

Must be written wrong. Otherwise it makes no sense: playing on, 2 minutes in the box and you're back in the game. Instead of when eliminated without penalty you're out of the game until the next round!

-Stefan-

 

[raehl]

This is a rule that needs clarifying...

But it's been 1-4-1 from day one - or at least Collegiate Cup, I don't know about IAO as I wasn't there but I have no reason to believe it was different.

Personally, I think it should be that the player who committed the INFRACTION goes in the box and you pull one of his buddies for good measure, but I believe the current enforcement is to pull and put the closest player in the box. (that may have changed though.

Actually, now that I've checked the rules, I've come to the conclusion that you guys just can't read.

12.4.8 A penalty assessed to an eliminated player will result in the elimination of theplayer (if a valid elimination -see Section 10) and a live player from the field must serve the penalty of the eliminated player.


Since playing on necessitates that you're eliminated, your buddy gets to serve the penalty for you.

This definitely needs to be rewritten - the offending player should still serve the penalty, even if another player is pulled, and it also doesn't cover the case of what to do when it's the last player on the field playing on. (How do you take a live player from the field to serve a penalty if there aren't any left?)


- Chris

 

[DMZ Hasse]

This is a rule that needs clarifying...

Originally posted by raehl


This definitely needs to be rewritten - the offending player should still serve the penalty, even if another player is pulled, and it also doesn't cover the case of what to do when it's the last player on the field playing on. (How do you take a live player from the field to serve a penalty if there aren't any left?)

- Chris

If the last player is pulled for a 1-4-1 he should serve the 2/5 min after the point has been scored, i.e. in the next play

Actually, I have a vague memory of seeing this in the x-ball rules.

Hmmm... lessee... What about this one:

12.4.4.3. In the case where the player that incurs the infraction is the last player on
the field, that player must wait for the second point to be scored or com-pletion
of the penalty time to return to the field.

I interpret this like you will put one of the guys coming in to the field (after the score) in the penalty box?

 

[raehl]

12.4.4.3 IMPLIES that the player who plays on, if he is the last player on the field, goes to the box for 2 minutes starting with the next point.

That doesn't jive with the other rule, which specifically states that you're supposed to put another live player in the box. (Which obiovusly makes no sense i the given situation, which is why it should be rewritten.)

12.4.4.3 should be rewritten as well to say last player on the TEAM on the field - it effectively means that if you're the last player on the field, there's no penalty to playing on unless you eliminate the rest of the players first (as if you don't, you're not the last player on the field, which means your penalty ends right when the opposing team hangs the flag.) So if you're the last player, play on, there's no penalty for it.


- Chris

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by goose
I am talking NXL too - in out game against France we had the player who played on eliminated and one other sent to the sin-bin - if this doesn't sound like 1-4-1 I don't know what does.

Especially when I can't for the life of me find it in the rule book - all I can find is...



AND



I actually do blame Steve - if he is indeed wrong (as I said I might be mistaken) -because he should know the rules and the way he got into my face saying I don't know what I was talking about (when it could be the Commish who doesn't know what he is talking about).

goose

Who was in whose face? You were screaming bloody murder and you wouldn't let me get a word in edgewise. Your bro, Nick, was having fun seeing how long we would go on until he finally said I was right!

I agree that the rules are not written so clearly, but the main point here has been cleared up: the player who played on is already eliminated therefore he or she leaves the field. Then another player receives the brunt of the penalty (just like a 1-4-1) and has to go to the box (instead of also leaving the field). For X Ball the rule makes perfect sense.

Steve

 

[LARSEN]

Easy now guyz.

Don't throw stones............................

This was intended to get the marshaling improved in the future.

It's all new to us all so mistakes will be done all the time.

Hopefully Steve will get some more help in the future so he will have time to look at all the datails.


Give the guy a chance, so far he's the only Ultimate that has steped up to the plate and given it a swing.

C U ALL IN TOULOUSE

 

[goose]

Steve,

yeah - we where both in each others face - but with all the "confusion" that there appears to be over the rules how can you say that the rules are clear.

It takes someone going over the rules with a magnifying glass who is looking for the reason why teams are given a 1-4-1 - to explain why this happens. I remember when the whole X-Ball thing was being talked about last year - one of the points that was pushed by the publicity machine was "an end to normal paintball penalties" and this was beause there was a penalty box.

If you want the rules to be clear then in the list of infractions & penalties it should be...

Playing on ----> eliminated player & minor penalty

I also know that it wasn't you who wrote the rules BUT they are not clear and MANY people believe that the only offense for playing on is the penalty box.

Now when all is said in done - you where right I was wrong - I take back the flaming. There where numerous other factors contributing to the heat of the moment - and one of them was the fact the refs wheren't doing their job - nor did it appear that they knew what the rules where - and no-one was taking responsibility for making sure they where.

All the players & coaches on both sides, had many kind words to each other the day after - and it is funny that there where no hard feeling amongst those the played on, and those who where played on against - those who bonus balled and thos who where bonus balled - NO all the bad feelings where towards the refs & the organization for allowing it to disintigrate into a free-for-all where teams where required to bonus-ball & play on because that was the only way to level the playing field.

Larsen - you are 100% correct Steve is the only one who stepped up to the plate and attempted to make this thing called X work, and for that I will give him "mad props". But his job is only half done in all the preparation - the remaining part is ensuring that the refs get their heads out of their asses and the game runs smoothly. Hell if I was that much of a pain in the ass - which I am sure I was (it has been known to happen) then he should have tossed me in the penalty box - or maybe naked at the middle of the field so I could get bonus balled.

goose

P.S. Steve from now on I will attempt to be the model citizen - cuz I know it doesn't make your job any easier having lunatics on the sidelines.

 

[LARSEN]

If i where Steve, i would have thrown you on the field naked


BUT i'm not, i would at least have given you a mask safety first, you know

 

[goose]

Unfortunately - me on the field naked is more a punishement for everyone watching, than it is for me.

 

[LARSEN]

That's probably the reason he didn't do it then...... and yes your right

We have just got spectators no reason to scare them away.

Hehe