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Wadidiz

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For those of us who have to miss some of the biggest and best paintball events it would be real good to have quick, up-to-date reporting. I would imagine that the Web site that reported at least a couple of times a day with updated scoreboards would get a lot of visits.

So far, the most up-to-date reporting I've seen is on www.paintball.com. Almost as good is www.warpig.com.

I read that the judging leaves a lot to be desired in the 5-player. Anyone out there who is at the Cup have any comments? It would be great to get some personal on-the-scene reports.:cool:

Steve
 

Baca Loco

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Reffing generally sucks

Shouldn't be construed as suggesting results aren't valid as this is pball, afterall and mostly the better team wins, but most fields have had 4-5 refs and while they say refs are Pro and made up from other teams there are lots of "Hey, dude? Need a ref?" types manning the fields.
And if you check out photos of fields you will see the "new" standard dimension of 210x140 with lots o' bunkers on a lot of the fields and the refs, even the competent ones, are overwhelmed by limited numbers, lots of obstructions and very tough conditions.
Having said that let me add there really is no excuse for insufficient reffing numbers. PSP were talking earlier on of expecting upwards of 300 5-man teams and have 12 fields this year instead of 10 and the pre-event prep and set-up and organization have been exemplary--except when it comes to the refs. Every player I know if forced to choose would prefer harsher conditions, a lagging schedule or whatever if only they could be assured of decent reffing. There is little more frustrating than taking the time, effort and money plus the expectation and anticipation of enjoying such an extravagant event only to have it thrashed senseless by incompetent reffing.
This reminds me of the concerns mentioned in the X-Ball write-up in the most recent PGI (which had an excellent marker review in in too if I recall correctly :D ) over bonus-ballin' from the Americans primarily. The present Cup circumstances are just the sort of environment that encourages that behavior. If you can't rely on the players or the refs to remove eliminated players one of the only recourses that remains is to shoot the bejezus out of the other team until a hand or gun goes up. I'm not condoning such conduct but at the same time it makes a certain amount of unfortunate sense, doesn't it? :(
 

Baca Loco

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I take it all back, sorta

The reffing doesn't just suck--it's unbelievably pitiful and the thing I said before about the better team usually winning doesn't hold when nobody will check anybody and players run up and down the fields with hits on them.
And then when a call does get made and high profile well known player(s) cow [pun intended] the refs into changing correct call(s) reversing game outcomes it all becomes something of a big, sad joke.
(One instance of this occurred in Ams semi-finals among others and no, I'm not naming names but I could.)
Despite the schedule juggling and other usual behind the curtain shenanigans this could'a been the best Cup ever bar none but 5-man is a complete mockery of competitive pball and it's really a shame.
Hope 10-man will be an improvement.
 

Wadidiz

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So, wonder what's behind the judging problems at the World Cup (if they're real, which they seem to be from multiple reports)? Is it incompetent judges? Is it lack of co-ordinated effort and consistency? Is it favoritism? Is it too much partying by the judges? Is it the heat and dehydration? Or is it lack of sufficient number of judges per field?

If it's too few judges per field then PSP have their back sides covered. Just checked the NPPL rules to be reminded that only four (4) judges are required per 5-player! And six (6) for 10-player. Compare that to Millenniums eight (8) for 7-player.

If you ask me that is scandalous. If there are so few, that is an open invitation to cheat and play on! In today's amoralistic sport milieu a player would be considered an idiot not to take advantage of such a wide-open opportunity.

No wonder the quality of judging seems so much better in Millennium. IMO a standard should be a minimum of one judge for every two players plus one. That would mean 6 for 5-player, 11 for 10-player, and 8 for 7-player. Maybe even 8 for 5-player, 12 for 10-player and 9 or 10 for 7.

I know that even with 8 on Millennium fields we are stretched beyond our limits quite often. There are many bunkering/push situations that we can simply not keep up with, the result being that both players get pulled when perhaps one was clearly marked first.

What numbers are sufficient for the various formats before judges start getting in the way?:confused:

Also, think about how the judging is usually dealt with. We are usually handed our reffing jerseys, scoresheets and water bottles and told which field to go to. No briefing, co-ordinating of efforts or encouragement about consistency.

So I again refer to the suggestions about new rules and improvements in the judging standards in the thread "Enforcing the rules..." You journalists and people who have influence, push for definite improvement. Sounds like things are getting worse instead of better.

I hope we don't get reports like this from the X games.:mad:

Steve
 

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If you haven't seen it yet, paintball.com leads off their coverage of day 2 with the subject of reffing. Some interesting comments I've seen in other places include:

- refs wilting from the heat
- communications problems between euro reffing teams and other refs
- field setups are promoting faster play

anyway, here's the link for the paintball.com story:
http://www.paintball.com/features/story.cfm?placementID=1527
 

Wadidiz

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other coverage

Originally posted by shamu
If you haven't seen it yet, paintball.com leads off their coverage of day 2 with the subject of reffing. Some interesting comments I've seen in other places include:

- refs wilting from the heat
- communications problems between euro reffing teams and other refs
- field setups are promoting faster play

anyway, here's the link for the paintball.com story:
http://www.paintball.com/features/story.cfm?placementID=1527
Shamu, curious about where "other places" are? I heard years ago that Jerry was reluctant to use refs from outside the English-speaking world because of possible communications problems. May have been just a rumor.

Steve
 

Wadidiz

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People on Smacktalk say there is no problem at all with the reffing even if there are only 4 refs on some fields. Of course those posts are entirely anonymous. Who should we believe?

The Europeans, with some exceptions, said that Nations' Cup reffing was biased and poor. The Americans and some Brits said it wasn't.

Hard to know the truth if you're not there!:rolleyes: