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manike

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Every sport, has 'professional fouls' which are penalised as just that.

Accidental offences are 'fouls' and get one penalty.

Proffessional fouls are what we in paintball would call 'cheating' and get another penalty often/usually much harsher.

I see no reason why paintball would be any different to other major sports if we use this method of controlling our fouls.

Fighting is a whole nother issue which I would like to see completely stamped out. It's not proffessional under any set of terms in my book. Some 'fouls' can be.

Some players even become known for their professional fouling abilites (I'm thinking football here) and get watched closer by refs, and are loved/hated by fans depending on what side you are on. Sounds exactly like our good friend in Avalanche doesn't it now? (and no i'm not talking about Salm).

I've played quite a few sports, and some very seriously. I would play basketball taking into account what I could get away with and I did the same in rugby.

As a backrow player, if I could make a heavy tackle on the fly or scrum half I would, even if sometimes a smidgen ;) late. Sometime I got away with it, sometimes I was penalised and watched closely, do it again and get inserious trouble. As a player it was a choice I made knowing full well what the consequences would be. I played for Brighton, University, Warwickshire and the Midlands, so my choice to make professional fouls in a much larger sport was never detrimental to me. I never stamped on a player or threw a punch. There's a difference.

Strange thing is I have never played paintball the same way, although I have many friends who do. Because we do not, in my opinion, have the right rules or people to enforce them yet, so I play to a higher honour level to feel right in my own mind. Not everyone does, and I'm not sure if we are in a real sport people should.

I used to think we should, but points Rancid made here, have been changing my mind of late. We need a good system of refs and that will solve the problems. Then let people play the game however they can within that GOOD system of refs. I think it will sort itself out, we will have everything spectators want to see, and our sport will come of age. I think when we watch the X-ball that is what we see happening already.

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manike

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Originally posted by rancid
Pete, what's Nexus's policy on playing on? Will you, wont you?
I think that's an unfair thing to ask Pete on these boards.

I'm not sure it's even something people want/need to know.

It's down to each team how they play the game.

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Originally posted by rancid
Pete, what's Nexus's policy on playing on? Will you, wont you?

Matty, what a peculiar question !!
I will refer you to what happened at X-Ball in Pittsburgh where the UK team was by far the cleanest team out there, we received only one minor penalty in over 40 games of paintball !!
I think that says it all coz no matter what particular team's policies are, the 'proof is in the pudding' and our Pittsburgh pudding was damn clean !!

But I ain't so naive to believe that Nexus, or any other team for that matter, will remain 100% clean for all of the time but I will tell you this much, there is a definite 'no cheat' policy on the team.

Adherence to this is hostage to many things and we are all human, so let's not try to be too sanctimonious about things because the subject will just descend into the realms of bull**** and bear no resemblance to what actually 'happens' out there.
Pete
 
What about self-regulation?

I.E. One of tha team blatantly wipes a hit and you see it - would you, say, bench him for the rest of the tournament and give him a first warning on a three strikes and out policy?

Surely when judging and ruling is lax, tha coach taking a stance like that would be enormously beneficial and would send out a great signal to other teams , sponsors and owners, as well as making damn sure the reast of tha team knew what was and wasn't acceptable.
 

manike

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Originally posted by rancid
oooohhh. Are you two shagging each other now?:)
Nope, but I have a lot of friends on that team, and putting the coach on the spot on an open forum and then trying to hold them to certain criteria can not be a good thing to do to them in my opinion.

They are out to compete at the highest level. Let them play the game and see how they do :)

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rancid

Mother, is that you?
Manike, I felt I could ask the question cos I knew what the answer was.

But, regardless, how can we go on about this cheat and that cheat, and the pressure to play straight, which we all want, but then we're not allowed to ask one of the highest profile Coaches what his team policy is in a 'press conference'-type situation on the very issue?

I think we should be asking more questions like this - not just of Pete though.

Sorry about the shagging comment, it's just I noticed you played for Brighton!

;)
 

manike

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Hairy muff...

hmm, fair points.

I think asking an established team would be a little different to asking a new team who are yet to have chance to prove themselves. I honestly want to see Nexus get a fair crack at it (as I was discussing with certain PGI 'staff/board members' :) at WC), and sometimes building expectations etc, might restrict that. I don't think they are going to have it easy as it is.

It's a fair point maybe that we should be able to ask them, and expect answers, but shouldn't we then ask all? and what do we do with the answers? do you honestly expect to get different answers from the teams themselves?

I know some players who will answer me truthfully, but would never say the same thing on boards like this or in print for your magazine.

Under such circumstances are the answers we get actually worth anything? I think Pete actually answered the question very well and diplomatically. He should have been a politician because I'm not certain you actually got a straight answer to your specific question :)

manike
 

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In my answer to Matt (Rancid), I was in no way trying to be ambiguous or vague, if it came across like that and smacked of me being politic, then it wasn't meant to I can assure you.
Of course as a coach and as a responsibility to my sponsors, I will always endorse a policy of no cheating and I think both myself and the team upheld that mandate in Pittsburgh better than any other team there.
What else can I do or say on the matter ?

I must admit, there is an element of self-interest and vanity going on here because I would much prefer the team's success to be attributed to my coaching and their skill rather than their propensity to cheat.

As for TJ's question, if and I would hope it would never happen, a player of mine got caught wiping, and I was satisfied that he did it, then I would instantly ban him from the rest of the tournament and then I would talk to Ledz about any further punishment, if it was required.
Playing on however is in a lot of cases, more the result of a heightened adrenaline level and inertia than a deliberate attempt to cheat though I do concede that in the hands of some players, this mitigation is somewhat stretched.
Robbo
 
Agree

You can set out an anti-wiping mandate, anti-playing on is trickier...bring in fines maybe...although half of tha team still survive on pocket money from their parents and Ledz needs every penny of his personal fortune for ribs and pizza, so this could be tricky.

Have you had to sign a contract with RP, Dye, Planet or PGI which includes any behavorial clauses?