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Tom37

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no-ones ever going to know on the center of the earth problem, but Mark Shegelski didnt take air resistance into account.... im not saying i know more that a guy with a phd in any way :)eek:) just giving everyone some food for thought.

"If we treat the mass distribution in the earth as uniform" this is why by his reconing you wouldnt hit the side of the earth, as the gravitational forces would be equal on either side of you, balancing in all directions and therfore keeping you in the center of the tunnel, otherwise you would hit the side.

EDIT: nope, ive never heard of that nlp stuff, i just got thinking one day.... got anymore though? as they're quite interesting...
 

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right another try, as i've rang all the local gun shops and they are shut till tomorrow.

I'm quoting another scientist

If gravity had its way, all the matter that comprises the Earth would be accelerated down at 9.8 meters per second (per second of falling), and we'd all end up packed inside a tiny black hole where the Earth's core used to be. But that's silly; the reason we don't fall toward the center of the Earth is that the floor is in the way, as is the ground, bedrock, and several thousand miles of molten rock and metal. The structure of the Earth keeps us on solid ground, so to speak.

But in the realm of physics, this is far from obvious. In reality, there's nothing solid about matter. Everything we touch is really made up of interacting electromagnetic fields. If you press down on the tabletop in front of you, your hand is not actually coming into direct contact with the table. Both your hand and the table are made up of atoms, the outermost particles of which are electrons.

Electrons all have a negative charge, so before the atoms can physically touch in any way, the electric fields of the electrons repel each other. That's why the floor holds us up; the electrical repulsion of your atoms against the floor is way stronger than the force of gravity, which is pulling you down.

Moving a bit farther into the realm of atoms, there are two other natural forces that only come into play at very small scales. Named the strong and weak forces, these forces act to hold tiny particles called quarks together to form the protons and neutrons in atomic nuclei. Appropriately named, the strong force is in fact the strongest natural force we know of, and is responsible for protons (all of which have positive charges and should repel each other) sticking together in the nucleus.

The weak force is really only weak compared to the strong force (it's the second strongest natural force), and creates an interaction that allows neutrons to turn into protons under some conditions. At the scale of atoms, gravity is almost negligible. The strong force attracting two protons together is 10^40 (that means a 1 followed by 40 zeroes) times stronger than the force of gravity between them.

Now, in my mind, one of the most important parts of being a scientist is asking annoyingly obvious questions. Take, for example, the question "Why is gravity so much weaker than all the other forces?" This seems to be a natural candidate for the answer "It just is." That's the way the universe works.

We measured the strength of all the forces, and gravity came in last. End of discussion. But that's not enough of an answer for scientists, and the real reason gravity is so weak may break open the next major advance in our perception of the universe. There are some tantalizing suggestions that gravity is, in fact, not weak at all, it's just diluted by having to act over more than our familiar four dimensions (three of space and one of time).
 

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Tom37 said:
no-ones ever going to know on the center of the earth problem, but Mark Shegelski didnt take air resistance into account.... im not saying i know more that a guy with a phd in any way :)eek:) just giving everyone some food for thought.

"If we treat the mass distribution in the earth as uniform" this is why by his reconing you wouldnt hit the side of the earth, as the gravitational forces would be equal on either side of you, balancing in all directions and therfore keeping you in the center of the tunnel, otherwise you would hit the side.

Tom, he is ignoring air resistance, and rightly so, because in that way he can concern himself with the true nature of what's going on and not have to factor in somewhat trivial variables.
Theoretical reasoning sometimes requires that you eliminate factors such as air resistance when they can get in the way of understanding what's really going on, if and when you graduate from A/ S level through to a degree, you might then begin to appreciate some of these different lines of thinking..but in the meantime, as a rough guide, even though everybody's entitled to an opinion, I would suggest you don't go at it with any associate professor of physics ....they tend to eat you up and spit you out without even blinking.....:)
Take it easy Tom !
 

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ok, here we go, this may be big, may not, you never know how giving im feeling :p

so, yes is the basic answer; you see things from your own mountain top, and i see things from mine... basically nlp teaches you to further understand your own mountain top and see things as if you were on someone elses. a great phrase from a book on this is: the map is not the territory. that is the basic definition of it all.

but if you want the more basic stuff, then if someone was brought up being told that blue was yellow, then they'd believe that was so. when you tell them that that is actually blue, then they wouldn't believe you, and for all they know, from their perspective, it is... and youre the one whose wrong about it :D you see??? so, basically, npl, is training to be diplomatic about things; since if you understand that they dont see blue as you see it, and think its yellow, and can get to terms with that, then you wont tell them theyre worng, youll let them know that you differ on opinions and explain how you see it... etc

any good? want more??? (free plug for my mums company there :p lol)
 

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danrandon said:
right another try, as i've rang all the local gun shops and they are shut till tomorrow.

I'm quoting another scientist

If gravity had its way, all the matter that comprises the Earth would be accelerated down at 9.8 meters per second (per second of falling), and we'd all end up packed inside a tiny black hole where the Earth's core used to be. But that's silly; the reason we don't fall toward the center of the Earth is that the floor is in the way, as is the ground, bedrock, and several thousand miles of molten rock and metal. The structure of the Earth keeps us on solid ground, so to speak.

But in the realm of physics, this is far from obvious. In reality, there's nothing solid about matter. Everything we touch is really made up of interacting electromagnetic fields. If you press down on the tabletop in front of you, your hand is not actually coming into direct contact with the table. Both your hand and the table are made up of atoms, the outermost particles of which are electrons.

Electrons all have a negative charge, so before the atoms can physically touch in any way, the electric fields of the electrons repel each other. That's why the floor holds us up; the electrical repulsion of your atoms against the floor is way stronger than the force of gravity, which is pulling you down.

Moving a bit farther into the realm of atoms, there are two other natural forces that only come into play at very small scales. Named the strong and weak forces, these forces act to hold tiny particles called quarks together to form the protons and neutrons in atomic nuclei. Appropriately named, the strong force is in fact the strongest natural force we know of, and is responsible for protons (all of which have positive charges and should repel each other) sticking together in the nucleus.

The weak force is really only weak compared to the strong force (it's the second strongest natural force), and creates an interaction that allows neutrons to turn into protons under some conditions. At the scale of atoms, gravity is almost negligible. The strong force attracting two protons together is 10^40 (that means a 1 followed by 40 zeroes) times stronger than the force of gravity between them.

Now, in my mind, one of the most important parts of being a scientist is asking annoyingly obvious questions. Take, for example, the question "Why is gravity so much weaker than all the other forces?" This seems to be a natural candidate for the answer "It just is." That's the way the universe works.

We measured the strength of all the forces, and gravity came in last. End of discussion. But that's not enough of an answer for scientists, and the real reason gravity is so weak may break open the next major advance in our perception of the universe. There are some tantalizing suggestions that gravity is, in fact, not weak at all, it's just diluted by having to act over more than our familiar four dimensions (three of space and one of time).
Darandon, you have joined the 'copy and paste' brigade, you have to truly understand an answer before you offer it up mate ... you just fell at that fence :(
Sorry mate !

;)


I'm off out now so I'll let you lot scrabble around for a few hours in my absence......I can't wait to see what Tom comes up with next considering he's got that a/s level in physics an' all....:)
 

Skeet

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Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets??
When you blow in a dog's face it gets mad, however stick the same dog in a car at 40+ mph and it will stick its head out of the window??
Kamikaze pilots, followed the warriors code, much like Samurai.
For the pilot to hit his head, become unconscious, then crash his plane anywhere other than the target...or, heaven forbid, actually survive teh impact...would be a major disgrace, not at all an honourable death.
Also...teh helmet probably also carried teh ear peice of the radio used to communicate with, his aircraft carrier or other base.
Kamikaze, had a specially adapted Tanto (small Japanese dagger/knife) which connected to the joystick of teh aircraft, and apon crashing, would be forced into teh pilots chest .

Dogs dont like people with bad breath, much teh same as I dont like people with bad breath. The sensation of sticking his head out of teh window at 40 mph, means teh dog can see where he is going, and have a variety of smell come his may...also...it can be quite refreshing on a hot day.

EDIT: Well....this has got a bit busy in here since my post last night!
 

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UMmm; you could probably work out how far away you'd have to be from the Earth, to see it in 1935...but to be an arse you couldn't get there fast enough ;)- you'd have to travel much much faster than the light.

edit: no actually that's not true...hmm comes from not reasearching ;)
meh physics, I don't get it :(; this is like in laymans terms. http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=491

A thought; from the earth, we can see the sun right, which is roughly 150 million km away. If the sun's light vanished (ignore for the mo that something would have had to have caused it like it collapsing or something) we wouldn't see it for at least 8 mins

Speed of light is 299 792 458 m / s.
71yrs ago
31 556 926 seconds in a year
2 240 541 746 seconds in 71 yrs
671 697 517 284 951 668 m away, to see 71yrs ago? Hence when Hitler was in power.
or 4.17373487 × 10 to the power 14 miles
I think it's flawed but I cba to work it out again ;)

As for seeing into the future; no I think. 'Time' is a measurement man created to measure something; it isn't a loop or any of that so you can't look into the future; if you went faster than the light, you'd see nothing; black.