Then you would be missing out on the cocker and the e-mag. Two very good and very capable markers. Blah they all are in the B bracket also...
Cockers can fire plenty fast enough. See the new wave of electro cockers for proof!
manike
Which guns can really cut it at the highest level
- Thread starter TJ Lambini
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Cockers can fire plenty fast enough. See the new wave of electro cockers for proof!
manike
i know they are sweet....im itching for them to release the eblade coz this money is eating a hole in my pocket
Yeah baby! Manike is right. Seen a freeflow cocker with a raceframe going at 20bps (granted it was full auto) with no eye and not chopping a single ball.
However most people with race frames have theirs set between 10bps (no eye and only a revvy) to about 15-16bps (normally with eye and halo). I personally had mine set to 14.5bps before it got sent for the full evo conversion so I don't know what it will be capable of until I get it back .
However most people with race frames have theirs set between 10bps (no eye and only a revvy) to about 15-16bps (normally with eye and halo). I personally had mine set to 14.5bps before it got sent for the full evo conversion so I don't know what it will be capable of until I get it back
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How did you?
He put the cocker in group B just to start a fight, so all the cocker tarts come on complaining!!!
Doesn't matter what gun is best, the pro's will use the gun of whichever company gives them the best sponsorship package......
He put the cocker in group B just to start a fight, so all the cocker tarts come on complaining!!!
Doesn't matter what gun is best, the pro's will use the gun of whichever company gives them the best sponsorship package......
Well im more than happy & content with my Eclipse cocker & RT,They do wot i want & the way i like that is all that matters to me.All of the markers in he brackets can all "cut it" really.
TJ
At 16bps all the major brands will compete, I would lay money on it. A much greater factor is the recharge rate of the inline and the valve assembly itself to consistantly regulate at those sorts of times. It is that which avoids drop off/give consistant velocity, not the air system.
and on topic:
Having shot the Race, the eBlade, the Centreflag and the Firestorm - the eBlade feels by far the most "Cocker like". The Race is way too snappy and the eBlade can easily keep up with it (usable) speed wise .
Sorry but flow rate of air system isn't as great a determining factor as many people make out.
At 16bps all the major brands will compete, I would lay money on it. A much greater factor is the recharge rate of the inline and the valve assembly itself to consistantly regulate at those sorts of times. It is that which avoids drop off/give consistant velocity, not the air system.
and on topic:
Having shot the Race, the eBlade, the Centreflag and the Firestorm - the eBlade feels by far the most "Cocker like". The Race is way too snappy and the eBlade can easily keep up with it (usable) speed wise .
Maybe he put the Cocker in the lower list because he's talking about a Cocker, NOT an Eclipse Cocker, NOT an Evo Cocker, NOT a.....oh, you get my point. If the list would include all the customs out there, it would be a whole different ball game, wouldn't it? I got a seriously tricked Angel and an Eclipse Cocker, and frankly, lately I've enjoyed shooting the Cocker more than the Angel, as it just seems to perform better (in my hands, so Manike made a good point about personal preference).
Ok...we need Manike here now
I actually don't think that's true as a Cocker should have a lower gas consumption than an Angel def, although my timmy is the best I've seen (I use a Conquest).
From everything I've seen I still think that it takes at least 20bps before air systems are involved.
But as I respect what your saying so I'm not going to argue it, but doesn't mean I have to believe it
See you around
I actually don't think that's true as a Cocker should have a lower gas consumption than an Angel def, although my timmy is the best I've seen (I use a Conquest).
From everything I've seen I still think that it takes at least 20bps before air systems are involved.
But as I respect what your saying so I'm not going to argue it, but doesn't mean I have to believe it
See you around
Beaker
I don't have a Max flow right now, but most of my air systems have been able to keep up with less efficient guns than the cocker running at 20bps and more
The only one that couldn't was an old unireg.
My Armageddon and flatline 4500 and AIR seem to be just fine.
It's very hard to monitor an air system during rapid flow because of all the changes taking place (certainly some demo's you have seen with fluid filled gauges are NOT very valid in my opinion). Ask John Rice about it sometime...
Many gun valving systems actually work to keep the velocity even though they may be getting supplied a lower air pressure. That's actually one of the best things about 'knock open' valve designs, which are found in autocockers, angels and intimidators, they self compensate...
Often drop off with guns like Angels and Initimidators is due to the LPR. The great thing about the cocker is that the hammer is independently controlled from the Air source (a spring, there fore as long as the gun cocks the valve will be hit the same).
Seems you buy the SP hype on the Max Flow (it is one of the best actually) but not on the impulse anymore... hmm got a new sponsor
manike
If your cocker is getting worse gas consumption than the Timmy then you need to check it over. Mine with a race frame will blow most other guns away for efficiency (does depend on bolt and springing/running pressure). Angel when set up right can also be super efficient. In fact all of those guns can be tuned to be very efficient.
I don't have a Max flow right now, but most of my air systems have been able to keep up with less efficient guns than the cocker running at 20bps and more
The only one that couldn't was an old unireg.
My Armageddon and flatline 4500 and AIR seem to be just fine.
It's very hard to monitor an air system during rapid flow because of all the changes taking place (certainly some demo's you have seen with fluid filled gauges are NOT very valid in my opinion). Ask John Rice about it sometime...
Many gun valving systems actually work to keep the velocity even though they may be getting supplied a lower air pressure. That's actually one of the best things about 'knock open' valve designs, which are found in autocockers, angels and intimidators, they self compensate...
Often drop off with guns like Angels and Initimidators is due to the LPR. The great thing about the cocker is that the hammer is independently controlled from the Air source (a spring, there fore as long as the gun cocks the valve will be hit the same).
Seems you buy the SP hype on the Max Flow (it is one of the best actually) but not on the impulse anymore... hmm
got a new sponsor manike