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What's the fascination with making PB TV/spectator friendly?

Tom Allen

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It takes a certain type of person, to go out there and get shot. We know the buzz, but to a layman it seems daft.

A better league system will attract more players, especially if it is a nationwide league.
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by Robbo
I doubt any sane person would take the opinion of a single indian voice as representative of our national response to paintball.

Ben, that is just so unscientific that it doesn't even deserve the type space it took up on this screen.
I think he is by and large right though.

Most people find watching tournament Paintball terribly boring in my experience.
 

Ben Frain

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Originally posted by Robbo
I doubt any sane person would take the opinion of a single indian voice as representative of our national response to paintball.

Ben, that is just so unscientific that it doesn't even deserve the type space it took up on this screen.
I wasn't really giving that as empirical evidence to pack up all the efforts to televise ;)

Rather a typical example of the laymans repsonse to filmed displays of paintball, even at the highest level - celebrity poker makes better TV ;)

Being as you are here though - what's your answer to the question...

Is the best way to grow paintball get more of it (and better quality) on TV or spend that same investment money making a better player experience?
 

Robbo

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Originally posted by duffistuta
I think he is by and large right though.

Most people find watching tournament Paintball terribly boring in my experience.
His sample is a joke and has no credibility whatsoever and Duff, he is not right, not by a long way.

I have seen the response the average rental has when confronted with pro ball, I have seen it with my own eyes many times.
Not everybody is gonna like everything and to suggest the likes of one man sets the stall out for an entire nation is laughable.

Young guys, the main demographic of rentals, when they see pro ball, their reaction is one of immediate and definite interest.
The athelticism, the markers and so on all combine to strike huge interest in what we do and to ignore that is about as stupid as believing one Indian is our nation's concencus representative, or any other person for that matter.

There are so many other sports, pastimes, whatever on TV, it seems to me to be an assinine question to then ask 'what is the fascination in trying to make paintball TV friendly'.
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
His sample is a joke and has no credibility whatsoever and Duff, he is not right, not by a long way.

I have seen the response the average rental has when confronted with pro ball, I have seen it with my own eyes many times.
Not everybody is gonna like everything and to suggest the likes of one man sets the stall out for an entire nation is laughable.

Young guys, the main demographic of rentals, when they see pro ball, their reaction is one of immediate and definite interest.
The athelticism, the markers and so on all combine to strike huge interest in what we do and to ignore that is about as stupid as believing one Indian is our nation's concencus representative, or any other person for that matter.

There are so many other sports, pastimes, whatever on TV, it seems to me to be an assinine question to then ask 'what is the fascination in trying to make paintball TV friendly'.
agree with all that however key word there is "rentals"

as in, they are not paintball-naive
they already have chosen to take some interest in a part of paintball as a whole

i think ben is referring to paintball-naive people?
 
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duffistuta

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Originally posted by Robbo
His sample is a joke and has no credibility whatsoever and Duff, he is not right, not by a long way.

I have seen the response the average rental has when confronted with pro ball, I have seen it with my own eyes many times.
Not everybody is gonna like everything and to suggest the likes of one man sets the stall out for an entire nation is laughable.

Young guys, the main demographic of rentals, when they see pro ball, their reaction is one of immediate and definite interest.
The athelticism, the markers and so on all combine to strike huge interest in what we do and to ignore that is about as stupid as believing one Indian is our nation's concencus representative, or any other person for that matter.

There are so many other sports, pastimes, whatever on TV, it seems to me to be an assinine question to then ask 'what is the fascination in trying to make paintball TV friendly'.
None of that makes him wrong and you right.

You have seen rentals, already playing Paintball, therefore already attracted to it in some form, see a high octane version of Paintball and then be attracted to it. That does not surprise me in the least.

To then make the leap that 'young guys' as a whole have a huge interest is just that, a leap, in my opinion.
 

Robbo

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Originally posted by Ben Frain
I wasn't really giving that as empirical evidence to pack up all the efforts to televise ;)

Rather a typical example of the laymans repsonse to filmed displays of paintball, even at the highest level - celebrity poker makes better TV ;)

Being as you are here though - what's your answer to the question...

Is the best way to grow paintball get more of it (and better quality) on TV or spend that same investment money making a better player experience?
Come on Ben, then why use it?

Anyways, enough of your inappropriate use of your Indian friend.

The questions that you ask I don't think are contingent upon each other nor should they be.
We need to make the playing experience better, that's a given, our sites are a joke.
If and when we sort ourselves on a world wide level with a federation trickle down to each country then I think TV will come along in its own time.
One consideration doesn't necessarily preclude the other here Ben.

Somebody way high up in the industry said recently, 'it's much better if paintball is ready for TV than to get it on air and sell it short', I think if we go on air now, we will sell ourselves short bearing in mind the state of industry as it stands now.

I think you are right to question people embarking upon a policy of TV at all costs but trust me Ben, there a few people in this industry who are working in the background who really know what to do and how to do it and in time, these people will surface.
 

Robbo

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Originally posted by duffistuta
None of that makes him wrong and you right.

You have seen rentals, already playing Paintball, therefore already attracted to it in some form, see a high octane version of Paintball and then be attracted to it. That does not surprise me in the least.

To then make the leap that 'young guys' as a whole have a huge interest is just that, a leap, in my opinion.

Frikkin eck Steve, now let me get this right, one guy is used in that initial post to represent the nation's alleged response to paintball as a sport and yet...you then go on to suggest that my example was equally unrepresentative.
Ok this is how it works Steve, the bigger the sample the more credible results.
Steve Bull has figures that suggest there are approximately 800,000 people who have played paintball at sites all over this country.
The main demographic of those numbers is young males.

Every time my guys have been training and rentals walk past, the majority of these guys stand and watch and more importantly ask questions and show significant interest.
Now you could suggest the guys I have seen are not representative of that 800,000 but you would be hard pressed to argue me down on that point as you well know.

So, apart from getting out there in the local high street and canvassing people with a DVD of Dynasty and gauging reactions I would think this is a pretty good indicator of what’s going on out there.
Please correct me if any of my thinking is wrong here but as I see it, I think from what I have seen, it is a lot more credible than a single Indian telling me to grow up.