what's happen after campaign ?

[WKD]

To put on a tourney that also includes the exl it would have to be one hell of an arena to do it in if you are gonna have say like Nick said 3 to 4 x-ball fields aswell as the other fields for the 7 man is there anywhere big enough

Are the x-ball fields gonna be played on by the 7 man teams aswell or are they gonna be kept seperate so the games can be run on time so we would be looking at may be 11 fields altogether 4 x-ball 7 for the 7-man me thinks it would be one big head ache to do it that way for the event organisers

Also should teams results be taken into account for wether they move up or not and if the results are good and warrent them moving up a division then they should be made to do it!!!

Finally to Nick are you coming over to good old blighty with your boys for the Simply the Best tourney this sunday the 10th ????

 

[Red_Merkin]

what happens if the NPPL does 7 man x-ball
will the EXL be 7 man?
that way EXL fields could be used for 7 man too!

 

[Baca Loco]

Nick,
May be that Teej is suggesting the only teams recognized as Pro in the future are the EXL teams.
If, as you suggest, and others are concerned about--a shrunken Pro division due to EXL--what's really the point of calling them "pro" if they ain't playing at the highest level and the division is filled out with reluctant or otherwise Am A teams?

On your other subject there clearly is something to be said for learning how to win at the level you're currently at. There is a substantial difference between having the ability to win and winning. Look at RL, for example. Why, one might even look at the Ducklings. Ooohh!

 

[Baca Loco]

He he

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Nice one - but actually the Ducklings is a perfect example why winning at Amateur level means nothing.

We won 9 out of 10 events our last year as Amateurs.... and have only won 1 major as Pros (winning smaller events don't count).

Actually.... the Russians have done better since stepping up without winning, than we have since stepping up after a "Strange like" season.



Nick

I will readily concede there are more complex factors involved than the psychological ones of "learning" to win if you will concede that another team or other players in a situation different from yours are not necessarily blowing smoke when they have concerns over the best way for their team to improve. [....."win before we step up" thing is crap.]

And of course RL is younger, better looking, faster, more skilled . . .

 

[TJ Lambini]

As usual, Cow read my cold black heart just like it was his own...maybe it's cos I'm his grandson that he knows me so well...

I'm sure it's all exciting, but without wanting to pop anyone's bubble, I predict:

NXL goes to 10 teams, all US, they don't play elsewhere.

NPPL expands, but only one event in Europe.

Millennium rolls on as usual, no XBall of any kind.

 

[cjansen]

Since this is all just speculation anyway....

The promoters should then think about changing Amateur and Novice into 5-man, as that is the best suited format to feed X-ball and prepare the teams for joining the EXL.

The true feeder for the EXL would be Division 1/2 X-Ball. Simply playing 5-man isn't going to prepare you for X-Ball. I personally hate playing 5-Man and don't want to make the switch. But if Division 1/2 happens then it's quite possible that we would go that route, but since everything right now is speculation and rumor, and nobody has any concrete info (or do, and just aren't sharing it,) it's not even worth thinking about.

what's really the point of calling them "pro" if they ain't playing at the highest level and the division is filled out with reluctant or otherwise Am A teams?

And I have to agree with Baca that Am A teams being forced to move up to pro isn't the answer. Just because there are holes to be filled doesn't mean that certain teams are ready to make that leap, or have the ability to play at that level. If the top 6-8 pro teams do leave to play X-Ball, that would leave a HUGE hole in the pro division, and it wouldn't exactly be fair to fill it with Am A's, and then have Dynasty drop by every month and steal their lunch money. No offense to the bottom half of the pro bracket, but if the top half can't beat them, what's to stop them from cleaning up against the bottom half and a bunch of Am's next year?

At this point, all we can do is hope that the people who are making the decisions do what's best for everybody, and try to get a consensus for what people really want. So far, we haven't heard anything along those lines, and I doubt that we will.

 

[cjansen]

Well Nick....

But - if the top level plays 5-man (which X-ball is) - don't you think the lower levels should too ?

First off, I think that you'll find that not everyone wants to play X-Ball. You're making the assumption that every team out there would just drop 7-Man for X-Ball, given the opportunity, and the pipe-dream of fame, glory and the possibility of being paid to play.

And there are huge differences between straight-up 5-Man and X-ball, and it would make much more sense to have Division I X-Ball if you wanted to groom players to go that route. But you can't play 5-Man like you play X-ball because the principle behind X-ball is quick games where people will pull some crazy sh!t that they wouldn't necessarily do in a standard format. In 5-Man, you have no opportunity to make up for a loss. But in X-Ball, you've got 40 minutes and who knows how many "games" within a match to score more points. It's two teams, balls out, trying to put up points as fast as possible. Imagine what a Millennium event would be like if we played 5-man, and every game was played like a two minute X-ball match. You could probably finish the whole event in a day and a half, and the results may not reflect a teams true ability.

Anyhow - I don't get why people want the EXl limited to 6-8 teams - can someone please explain ?

I think that this is only because everyone is talking about the EXL in comparison to the NXL. You could ask the same question of the NXL - why didn't they start off with more than 8 teams. There are a lot of different ways that you could go with it, but I think that the NXL is going to be the model they use, and that expansion would come after it's deemed a success (i.e. profitable for the franchise owners.)

 

[Red_Merkin]

Nick
i totally disagree, even if the top guys are playing x-ball five man format, teams playing regular ball should keep playing 7 man.
It's the prefered format for regular tournament paintball.

5 man and 10 man tourneys everywhere are dying out in favor or x-ball. Maybe x-ball should go 7 man?

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Red_Merkin
Maybe x-ball should go 7 man?

It wouldnt be as fast and furious if there were 7 players, also the games would be mad, as dropping a few players wouldnt matter to the outcome of the game, i think it would mean that we would see more cheating as the penalties would not hamper a team cos they would still have 5-6 players on field as opposed to 3-4.

 

[Red_Merkin]

i dunno
i've been hearing all sorts of rumors that x-ball might go 7 man, might be part of the Nppl, pretty much every variation you can think of.
I can tell you this, if x-ball does go 7 man those would be HUGE team rosters!
at this rate Richmond might even run for govenor of California!

But i don't want to go back to playing 5 man millennium series!
All the important events in Britian have gone 7 man, 5 man is almost a novelty here now.