and they always have done. plus all this cr8p about auto being illegal and stuff is all hype.
they ARE toys (unless you read the label
)What are markers classed as?
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they ARE toys (unless you read the label
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Following my big post that skeet dropped in my tracks with this one.
This needs definitive definition, and paintballer input here in Scotland....because if no action is taken, we could find paintball markers getting caught "in the net" as it were, if blanket legislation is applied by the Scottish Parliament.
Think i'll still be writing to my local MSP, just to get some sort of grounding on where paintball markers stand....reckon the rest of the Scotballers should give it a go as well, better safe than sorry and all that.
This needs definitive definition, and paintballer input here in Scotland....because if no action is taken, we could find paintball markers getting caught "in the net" as it were, if blanket legislation is applied by the Scottish Parliament.
Think i'll still be writing to my local MSP, just to get some sort of grounding on where paintball markers stand....reckon the rest of the Scotballers should give it a go as well, better safe than sorry and all that.
Yeah good idea, be cool no ranting, try to show that ours is a professional sport and is accepted in many other countries esp USA: it might have a better effect if you go see them: take some literature with you & a magazine.
Strange you say that but the UKPSF does not?
They seem to see it as more a grey area and they have not be classified as anything? Be it an airpistol/rifle/firearm/toy...
I know its not for US or UK but found this on NZ website http://www.paintball.co.nz/armsact.htm
thats pretty solid! gotta make sure this doesnt happen to us its pretty tough
also the "Home Office Consultation on Firearms 2003" (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/docs3/controls_on_firearms.pdf) helpfully states that:
"Imitation firearms. The Firearms Acts define an
imitation as anything having the appearance of a
firearm whether or not capable of firing shot, a
bullet or other missile. This wide-ranging
definition includes realistic metal replicas (some
capable of firing blanks), crude home-made copies,
novelty items, children’s toys and water pistols. The
term “replica” and “imitation” are often used
interchangeably, though the term “replica” is
sometimes incorrectly applied to working
reproductions of older guns;"
Also:
I know I know its airsoft but a little of the stuff applies to us: http://airsoft.iwdservices.co.uk/uk-law.asp
"25. The Firearms Act 1968 defines a firearm "a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged". In this context, a "lethal weapon" means a weapon capable of firing a projectile with sufficient force to inflict more than a trivial injury, i.e. with a force sufficient to puncture the skin. The force with which a firearm is able to deliver a projectile is normally expressed in terms of the kinetic energy it generates at its muzzle - the "muzzle energy". This force is normally expressed in units of foot pounds (ft/lb) or joules (J)."
"26. The Home Office and the Forensic Science Service considers that the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot/pound (or about 1.35 joules): below these power levels, weapons are "incapable of penetrating even vulnerable parts of the body, such as the eye"."
however dont some paintball markers run at 9ft/lb? (can someone confirm this pls Im not sure)
I have been told that it only takes 2ft/lb to the head eg: temples, back of skull, to knock someone out?
And surely a (or several, if we're looking at ramping) paintballs would burst your eye and make a pretty nasty mess if it hit you in the face eg: what would it do to your nose or your teeth?
Does puncture the skin mean like a gunshot wound or just enough to make you bleed? Ive been cut & grazed a couple of times and seen some pretty nasty injuries: like the guy who got hit in the back of the throat )^^(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4335097.stm
"It would see the minimum age for buying knives and replica firearms raised from 16 to 18"
thats pretty solid! gotta make sure this doesnt happen to us its pretty tough
also the "Home Office Consultation on Firearms 2003" (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/docs3/controls_on_firearms.pdf) helpfully states that:
"Imitation firearms. The Firearms Acts define an
imitation as anything having the appearance of a
firearm whether or not capable of firing shot, a
bullet or other missile. This wide-ranging
definition includes realistic metal replicas (some
capable of firing blanks), crude home-made copies,
novelty items, children’s toys and water pistols. The
term “replica” and “imitation” are often used
interchangeably, though the term “replica” is
sometimes incorrectly applied to working
reproductions of older guns;"
Also:
I know I know its airsoft but a little of the stuff applies to us: http://airsoft.iwdservices.co.uk/uk-law.asp
"25. The Firearms Act 1968 defines a firearm "a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged". In this context, a "lethal weapon" means a weapon capable of firing a projectile with sufficient force to inflict more than a trivial injury, i.e. with a force sufficient to puncture the skin. The force with which a firearm is able to deliver a projectile is normally expressed in terms of the kinetic energy it generates at its muzzle - the "muzzle energy". This force is normally expressed in units of foot pounds (ft/lb) or joules (J)."
"26. The Home Office and the Forensic Science Service considers that the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot/pound (or about 1.35 joules): below these power levels, weapons are "incapable of penetrating even vulnerable parts of the body, such as the eye"."
however dont some paintball markers run at 9ft/lb? (can someone confirm this pls Im not sure)
I have been told that it only takes 2ft/lb to the head eg: temples, back of skull, to knock someone out?
And surely a (or several, if we're looking at ramping) paintballs would burst your eye and make a pretty nasty mess if it hit you in the face eg: what would it do to your nose or your teeth?
Does puncture the skin mean like a gunshot wound or just enough to make you bleed? Ive been cut & grazed a couple of times and seen some pretty nasty injuries: like the guy who got hit in the back of the throat )^^(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4335097.stm
"It would see the minimum age for buying knives and replica firearms raised from 16 to 18"
If you're really interested you may want to read some of this:
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/95ap05.htm
"At a step up from airsoft guns are low-powered airguns. These are pistols with muzzle energies below six foot pounds but greater than one foot/pound and rifles with muzzle energies between three-quarters of a foot pound and 12 foot pounds. Due to their comparatively low power, the law does not require these to be kept on a police-issued firearm certificate or otherwise licensed but, because they are capable of inflicting a penetrating wound, they are nonetheless classed as "firearms".
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/95ap05.htm
"At a step up from airsoft guns are low-powered airguns. These are pistols with muzzle energies below six foot pounds but greater than one foot/pound and rifles with muzzle energies between three-quarters of a foot pound and 12 foot pounds. Due to their comparatively low power, the law does not require these to be kept on a police-issued firearm certificate or otherwise licensed but, because they are capable of inflicting a penetrating wound, they are nonetheless classed as "firearms".
Not as bad as it sounds dude ... summary - over 18 can own airguns, 16-17 you need a general firearms licence, under 16 you can't own them.
No secure storage, etc required.
hey I managed to convert my Eagle to fire shotgun shells!!!
The barrel had to be changed(cause the ally one exploded)-and reloading it was fiddly(don't take tips from Kurt Cobain)-but hey-with a bit of work I could have made it a repeating shotgun!!-then again with the amount of machines available at work-why bother?-p.s I work in a royal ordinance factory
(for those of you who don't know what an Eagle is-send some of your mother's used underwear in-and I'll see what I can do!)