Ed, that team who's marshalling impressed you is Brutal Deluxe.
The crap marshalls (no big news anymore) is Dynasty.
Name and praise, name and shame.
The crap marshalls (no big news anymore) is Dynasty.
Name and praise, name and shame.
Was safety ignored at the World Cup?
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But just look at where the Judges mindset was at to get to the root of the problem...I dont know how much pressure was on them to keep the schedule running on time but obviously all safety precautions were thrown out the window to keep things running smoothly..Its just another fine example of the little things not being done that will slowly mark the downfall of PSP...
But Robbo said it best...Until someones eye gets ripped out no one gives 2 ****s...No harm,No foul is the way things have always been handled so why the big shocker now...Whats even worse is the fact that players still walked onto the field knowing that they could cause serious damage by continuing to play with their hot markers
But we can bitch,moan,spit,and cry foul all we want but until players grow a sack and step up and do the right things nothing will change..Its not gonna be PSP that willingly changes a damn thing,its gotta be the players forcing em to do so and until then were gonna see the same ole threads over and over and over again...
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Wow, this is news to me. I can only speak for myself but, we were chrono'd on to every field and had to adjust to the speed limit as normal.......although I must say I don't doubt for an instant that these things of which you speak happened . Hell people still don't believe me when I say they only had 6 porta-johns at the worlds largest PB tourny.
Damn scary thought though, taking to the field not knowing if the guys your against could knock a hole through you. It's only a matter of time before some poor fool gets hurt badly enough for the promoters to take on some responsibility.
If history teaches us anything......it'll have to be us, (the players) to police ourselves.
Damn scary thought though, taking to the field not knowing if the guys your against could knock a hole through you.
It's only a matter of time before some poor fool gets hurt badly enough for the promoters to take on some responsibility.If history teaches us anything......it'll have to be us, (the players) to police ourselves.
Why would people go to Chuck's event based on safety concerns ? Everyone knows that the reffing staff was supplied by the NPPL and is Chuck's responsibility. Except for you I guess. Bill Cookston is in charge of the reffing crew, who pays his salary? NPPL and WDP....
Good effort, you Big Ox
PS--you really need to find another angle, Mike. You post the same stuff everywhere.
Oh, yeah, and who paid all the "refs" working PSP events that weren't PRO or Cookston?
But you have taken my comment out of context. If you go back and re-read the Robo remark I was responding to you might notice the distinction.Originally posted by Mike Oxbig
Why would people go to Chuck's event based on safety concerns ? Everyone knows that the reffing staff was supplied by the NPPL and is Chuck's responsibility. Except for you I guess. Bill Cookston is in charge of the reffing crew, who pays his salary? NPPL and WDP....
PS--you really need to find another angle, Mike. You post the same stuff everywhere.
Oh, yeah, and who paid all the "refs" working PSP events that weren't PRO or Cookston?
Sorry mate, never heard of you but you know jack ****, are you trying to tell me that all the refs at World Cup were hired and trained by PRO and were the sole responsibility thereof ?Originally posted by Mike Oxbig
Why would people go to Chuck's event based on safety concerns ? Everyone knows that the reffing staff was supplied by the NPPL and is Chuck's responsibility. Except for you I guess. Bill Cookston is in charge of the reffing crew, who pays his salary? NPPL and WDP....
Please enlighten me as to what you do actually know !
Robbo
The hot gun probably doesn't apply to Millennium but the mask-off thing does, at least sometimes. Like Buddha 5 pointed out, judges take off their masks between games far too much and very often in the presence of unbagged markers. Being the hypocrite I am, I did it too at the last Millennium I reffed (but not in the presence of unbagged markers).
I started my last Millennium reffing experience by politely suggesting to my new American pro judging "team-mates" (this was a prominent pro team) to put their masks on when the players came on-field. (Some of the guys didn't even have their masks with them while they walked around on-field between games).
I was looked at like an idiot and told, "It's our eyes, dude." I heard later that they thought I was a bit over-zealous. I resemble that remark.
Point is: the only way we're going to change this is with new rules and a new regime. (This isn't the first time I've said this, is it?)
1. Put a flippin' independent head-marshall on each field.
2. Give penalty points to reffing judges who break the rules (safety or otherwise).
3. Dock the pay or fire PRO marshalls who break the rules (safety or otherwise).
Headrock wrote:
>>..Its not gonna be PSP that willingly changes a damn thing,its gotta be the players forcing em to do so and until then were gonna see the same ole threads over and over and over again...<<
I've suggested a program. What so frikkin' hard about what I'm suggesting? Here is a pro-active, affirmative approach to getting control of a very important matter .
Give me the sponsorship of PGI and/or P8ntballer.com along with some authority to penalize and fire people and I'll fly in myself to the bleedin' tournaments and I'll take names, take pictures and kick some ass!
Steve
I started my last Millennium reffing experience by politely suggesting to my new American pro judging "team-mates" (this was a prominent pro team) to put their masks on when the players came on-field. (Some of the guys didn't even have their masks with them while they walked around on-field between games).
I was looked at like an idiot and told, "It's our eyes, dude." I heard later that they thought I was a bit over-zealous. I resemble that remark.
Point is: the only way we're going to change this is with new rules and a new regime. (This isn't the first time I've said this, is it?)
1. Put a flippin' independent head-marshall on each field.
2. Give penalty points to reffing judges who break the rules (safety or otherwise).
3. Dock the pay or fire PRO marshalls who break the rules (safety or otherwise).
Headrock wrote:
>>..Its not gonna be PSP that willingly changes a damn thing,its gotta be the players forcing em to do so and until then were gonna see the same ole threads over and over and over again...<<
I've suggested a program. What so frikkin' hard about what I'm suggesting? Here is a pro-active, affirmative approach to getting control of a very important matter .
Give me the sponsorship of PGI and/or P8ntballer.com along with some authority to penalize and fire people and I'll fly in myself to the bleedin' tournaments and I'll take names, take pictures and kick some ass!
Steve
Hi every one I am a little late joining this one mabey thats because I took the two weeks out to go to this event
I agree the consitancy of the reffing is some what lacking. Bill Cookson had said to me that as a girl I had to do better than the guys just not to get complains.
This I expected!
A lady of my aquatance had reffed tolouse some years back and as a result women refs were banned I didn't want this happening because of me. There were only 2 brits on our feild the americans we worked with were brilliant, no named players just ballers like you and me.
It would have been very easy to let saftey slide one whole side netting on the feild was not securly pegged ............. Not for long ok so the crowd were rarley on that side but ...........
My poor staff get yelled at for not wearing there goggles whilst on the feild but try 95 degrees and barley a breack nessitey kicks in. Refs need some were safe to take masks off. On the second day I was the only person not to leave the feild for a breack before they collapsed, the refs were going down like flys in the heat. This is not a critasum in any way just it was extreamly phcsically and mentally demanding job. When politely yelled at most teams pluged up but not all.
We were always trying to keep up with the squedual and I can only rember one point were we were behind and this was being commented on. To be honest personally I didn't want to know about the squedual just who was on next.
The Toliets Oh my god the Toliets I have stoped having nightmares just.
I cryed and wished I was back in england when I first encountered them. It's no wonder there are few women at this event you really do have to be a card carrying member to endure these!
Discusting, ok your guys try being a lady and don't even think what there like if its that time of the month. No were to wash your hands
A proment representative of one of the big paint companys asked me what I though after saying and this is the world Cup with a look of distain.
Please don't get me wrong I loved the world cup!
I really enjoyed reffing it was one of the highlights of my paintball career so far, I don't even mind the welts I took
But for the penultimate event it has lots of room to grow it's was one of the most baller events Ive been to the general public was very much not present.
It is a huge event, it also runs very smoothly for some thing so big. I have not been to other amarican events so can't comment, I have been to several milleniums over a few years now and lots of local regional events here in england. The standards do vary but as we are all here for a commomn goal mabey we should be trying to resolve these issues and work to the greater good. I would love to get shot to **** again in the cause of reffing the worlds biggest tourney.
Still welty and proud of it
I agree the consitancy of the reffing is some what lacking. Bill Cookson had said to me that as a girl I had to do better than the guys just not to get complains.
This I expected!
A lady of my aquatance had reffed tolouse some years back and as a result women refs were banned I didn't want this happening because of me. There were only 2 brits on our feild the americans we worked with were brilliant, no named players just ballers like you and me.
It would have been very easy to let saftey slide one whole side netting on the feild was not securly pegged ............. Not for long ok so the crowd were rarley on that side but ...........
My poor staff get yelled at for not wearing there goggles whilst on the feild but try 95 degrees and barley a breack nessitey kicks in. Refs need some were safe to take masks off. On the second day I was the only person not to leave the feild for a breack before they collapsed, the refs were going down like flys in the heat. This is not a critasum in any way just it was extreamly phcsically and mentally demanding job. When politely yelled at most teams pluged up but not all.
We were always trying to keep up with the squedual and I can only rember one point were we were behind and this was being commented on. To be honest personally I didn't want to know about the squedual just who was on next.
The Toliets Oh my god the Toliets I have stoped having nightmares just.
I cryed and wished I was back in england when I first encountered them. It's no wonder there are few women at this event you really do have to be a card carrying member to endure these!
Discusting, ok your guys try being a lady and don't even think what there like if its that time of the month. No were to wash your hands
A proment representative of one of the big paint companys asked me what I though after saying and this is the world Cup with a look of distain.
Please don't get me wrong I loved the world cup!
I really enjoyed reffing it was one of the highlights of my paintball career so far, I don't even mind the welts I took
But for the penultimate event it has lots of room to grow it's was one of the most baller events Ive been to the general public was very much not present.
It is a huge event, it also runs very smoothly for some thing so big. I have not been to other amarican events so can't comment, I have been to several milleniums over a few years now and lots of local regional events here in england. The standards do vary but as we are all here for a commomn goal mabey we should be trying to resolve these issues and work to the greater good. I would love to get shot to **** again in the cause of reffing the worlds biggest tourney.
Still welty and proud of it
I knew someone would bring up the need for a mask-break for judges who have to marshall from sunup to sundown, sometimes in excruciating heat.
I suggest that it becomes part of the regiment for all players to be required to enter the fields with bagged markers and that they remain bagged until a very clear announcement is made on that field for "Masks on!" followed by "You may unbag your markers!"
Judges need a break and some field maintenance is also frequently required, e.g. re-pegging air bunkers and re-inflating the same.
No major difficulty working this out.
Steve
I suggest that it becomes part of the regiment for all players to be required to enter the fields with bagged markers and that they remain bagged until a very clear announcement is made on that field for "Masks on!" followed by "You may unbag your markers!"
Judges need a break and some field maintenance is also frequently required, e.g. re-pegging air bunkers and re-inflating the same.
No major difficulty working this out.
Steve