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UK Paintball...past, present...and is there a future?

I have been speaking to some "heavy weights" in the paintball world. Some have pointed out the same concerns that I have with the way UK paintball is progressing.

Why is it that we are all sooo worried about what certain players do in the USA. Who leaves team WHOCARES and is going to team XYZ.

Look at UK paintball... don't you find it funny that all teams that have got decent players have to fear losing them to teams abroad? Strong UK teams are very hard to find and if they are out there, how long do they last?

We need to start at the very basic problems:
1. If you ask any person on the street, that is not a paintballer, what they think paintball is, what will they say?

They all think we still run through the woods playing soldiers and Rambo is our chosen leader.

When will teams finally become pro active and promote their sport? It doesn't take that much to do it. You all have time to post on a forum related to paintball. Write an article and email it to your local paper. You would be surprised how many sports editors will print it.

2. Sites: Sites like DF7 and the Pure Rush ones are rare. But that is what we need. Flag ships for paintball, institution where people can see what we do and how much fun the sport is.

I know RecBall is the moneymaker, but do you really think that a well-run SupAir site cannot generate a decent turn over?! Ok, it is not going to be a gold mine where you can close down after a few years and life the high life. It will pay off if you know what you are doing.

3. We need a structured league system. Who cares who won what independent league in the UK? No one. Imagine you finally would have UK paintball league (and please don't say PA or I will die laughing! Nice try, did not work...lets move on!!!)

For the league get independent marshals. Stop team reffing teams! Nothing is worse than playing two teams on one pitch. There are plenty of people out there that are willing to do the job. If they receive the right training and money. Make it possible to be proud to be a Reff. Just as much people are proud to be part of a team.

4. Drop the "gangsta" style attitude. Have you been to sites lately and watch teams interact?! It looks like "Boyz in the Hood" gone wrong. How will you attract young people and the recognition from local authorities when you got people doing dope and talking a constant stream of "F******" (My English is very colourful I know! :rolleyes: )

5. Fair prices for events. Some events are way too expensive for what you get. Depending on where you play you pay enough money for 8 games of paintball to go onto a two week holiday All-inclusive. Setting up events is not cheap and is very time consuming,but to justify prices you need to see a return for your money.

6. Create a player union. A chosen body supported by ALL active tournament paintball players.

There is more that needs to be done. All I would like to know is where you want to see UK paintball in the next 5 years!
 

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Originally posted by Bagpuss
Why is it that we are all sooo worried about what certain players do in the USA. Who leaves team WHOCARES and is going to team XYZ.

Look at UK paintball... don't you find it funny that all teams that have got decent players have to fear losing them to teams abroad? Strong UK teams are very hard to find and if they are out there, how long do they last?
Only three teams fear losing players to overseas teams. Hardly the downfall of the entire paintball community in this country is it?

Originally posted by Bagpuss
We need to start at the very basic problems:
1. If you ask any person on the street, that is not a paintballer, what they think paintball is, what will they say?

They all think we still run through the woods playing soldiers and Rambo is our chosen leader.

When will teams finally become pro active and promote their sport? It doesn't take that much to do it. You all have time to post on a forum related to paintball. Write an article and email it to your local paper. You would be surprised how many sports editors will print it.
When we as a community start giving a damn. Paintballers are apathetic. They cant help themselves, They ALL want something for nothing.

Originally posted by Bagpuss
2. Sites: Sites like DF7 and the Pure Rush ones are rare. But that is what we need. Flag ships for paintball, institution where people can see what we do and how much fun the sport is.

I know RecBall is the moneymaker, but do you really think that a well-run SupAir site cannot generate a decent turn over?! Ok, it is not going to be a gold mine where you can close down after a few years and life the high life. It will pay off if you know what you are doing.
Can a tourney ball site generate the amount of money needed to live off? Can it really? Is there anywhere (apart from Germany granted) where you can show me a supair only model that is working. Rec-ball is the lifeblood of this sport. Compared to rec ball we as tourney ballers mean ****.

edit: if supair really pays the money out, why cant markie c up north quit his job and run the northern quarter full time? Why cant dave at DF7's quit his job (does he still own rekka?!?)

Originally posted by Bagpuss
3. We need a structured league system. Who cares who won what independent league in the UK? No one. Imagine you finally would have UK paintball league (and please don't say PA or I will die laughing! Nice try, did not work...lets move on!!!)

For the league get independent marshals. Stop team reffing teams! Nothing is worse than playing two teams on one pitch. There are plenty of people out there that are willing to do the job. If they receive the right training and money. Make it possible to be proud to be a Reff. Just as much people are proud to be part of a team.
The PA didnt work because they went around it wrong and teams didnt like that. It seems to me that everyone wants this league but when things get a little too rough they all jump ship. The refs are also independent. They dont play for any teams in the league. Youve got what you asked for but you dont seem to want it?!


Originally posted by Bagpuss
4. Drop the "gangsta" style attitude. Have you been to sites lately and watch teams interact?! It looks like "Boyz in the Hood" gone wrong. How will you attract young people and the recognition from local authorities when you got people doing dope and talking a constant stream of "F******" (My English is very colourful I know! :rolleyes: )
i wouldn't say were gangsta as such tbh. Were paintballers and in most cases we swear like sailors. Robbo's a great example of this. Would you say he's gangsta?

The drugs i admit are wrong. I wouldn't take drugs whilst at a tournament as i wouldn't feel comfortable playing under the influence of anything but some people just dont have yours or my morals.
Originally posted by Bagpuss
5. Fair prices for events. Some events are way too expensive for what you get. Depending on where you play you pay enough money for 8 games of paintball to go onto a two week holiday All-inclusive. Setting up events is not cheap and is very time consuming,but to justify prices you need to see a return for your money.
define fair price? Lets think about what needs ot be paid.
Venue, Marquee, fields (if they are bought) marshalls, admin costs, toilets, netting (sometimes) plus numerous other costs.

Originally posted by Bagpuss
6. Create a player union. A chosen body supported by ALL active tournament paintball players.
So the UKPSF then? if only paintballers gave a ****.

Originally posted by Bagpuss
There is more that needs to be done. All I would like to know is where you want to see UK paintball in the next 5 years!
played as a real sport. Too much emphasis is placed on the TV side? why cant we get the house in order and then give a damn about the TV side of things.

Players, playing for fun again.

A more professional attitude from players.

But like any of that is gonna happen.
 

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this may have come over a little more harshly than i intended. I didn't mean it so bluntly but i didnt know how else to word it :)
 

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Originally posted by Mario
i wouldn't say were gangsta as such tbh. Were paintballers and in most cases we swear like sailors. Robbo's a great example of this. Would you say he's gangsta?
Nah, he's too soft. Ganstas are hardcore.:p
 
Only three teams fear losing players to overseas teams. Hardly the downfall of the entire paintball community in this country is it?
True! But losing core players forces teams to rebuild nearly every season!


When we as a community start giving a damn. Paintballers are apathetic. They cant help themselves, They ALL want something for nothing.
Too true!!!


Can a tourney ball site generate the amount of money needed to live off? Can it really? Is there anywhere (apart from Germany granted) where you can show me a supair only model that is working. Rec-ball is the lifeblood of this sport. Compared to rec ball we as tourney ballers mean ****.
I think it is possible. You need to approach it the right way and understand how to meet the requierment of paintballers to generate a consitant cash flow.



The PA didnt work because they went around it wrong and teams didnt like that. It seems to me that everyone wants this league but when things get a little too rough they all jump ship. The refs are also independent. They dont play for any teams in the league. Youve got what you asked for but you dont seem to want it?!
There are many reasons why the PA did not work. But I don't see those Marshals as independentt as most of them are ballers and listening to some of them there is a lot of politics involved.



i wouldn't say were gangsta as such tbh. Were paintballers and in most cases we swear like sailors. Robbo's a great example of this. Would you say he's gangsta?
LOL...hell yea! Just kidding! I think you misunderstood what I am trying to say. It is the way people act...not what they "do"!

The drugs i admit are wrong. I wouldn't take drugs whilst at a tournament as i wouldn't feel comfortable playing under the influence of anything but some people just dont have yours or my morals.
I don't care of peeps are doing dope, if they really have too. But there is a time and a place for everything.


define fair price? Lets think about what needs ot be paid.
Venue, Marquee, fields (if they are bought) marshalls, admin costs, toilets, netting (sometimes) plus numerous other costs.
There are costs involved but it has to be in relation to what you receive as "customer". Some events charge you a full fee for what they advertise but only deliver 65%.



So the UKPSF then? if only paintballers gave a ****.
Wrong approach. Make it mandatory for tournament players to be part of the UKPSF to compete at event. Means that organizers need to pull their fin



played as a real sport. Too much emphasis is placed on the TV side? why cant we get the house in order and then give a damn about the TV side of things.

Players, playing for fun again.

A more professional attitude from players.

But like any of that is gonna happen.
AMEN
 

Mario

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The core players i would agree with you, but i think they mainly seem to lose them to UK teams? i haven't heard that many cases of players going abroad apart form tommy and dan and a few others? then again i dont tend to keep up on the transfer market.

Im skeptical on your point about a tourney ball site. I dont think that the UK as a consumer base is after that for the casual player. When i was working at a site the punters were loving the milsim ****. Thats what they were there for. Again i could be wrong however.

The PA - agreed, however i think that the refs do a good job tbh. Ive never had a problem with them and i seem to have switched round teams like you wouldn't believe :)

I did misunderstand you, my bad. People imitate what they percieve as cool. Hip hop gansta roots seem to be the in thing in general in the UK as a whole not just paintball. Cant wait till prog rock comes back ;)

Drugs i agree with you mate - time and a place always.

The leagues up here i find to be very good. then again i only really play in one league and dally in the other so my experiences are based on this one league.

The mandatory membership has been tried im pretty sure. As ive said ballers are well apathetic and the creation of a union requires a huge amount of work, time and in some cases money. Its a special person who takes it on board.

Funny, for someone who claims not to be interested in the ins and outs of UK ball (me) i seem to have a huge opinion on it dont i? :)
 
If it has been tried to do it...there is one question...why did it fail. Not because the players are too lazy. It is more the fact that it would requiere the organizers to agree overall to make it a rule to be part of the UKPSF. :(

Would be nice to have more people caring. Maybe that will change things and we finally get a decent paintball scene!:D
 

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Originally posted by Mario
Only three teams fear losing players to overseas teams. Hardly the downfall of the entire paintball community in this country is it?



When we as a community start giving a damn. Paintballers are apathetic. They cant help themselves, They ALL want something for nothing.



Can a tourney ball site generate the amount of money needed to live off? Can it really? Is there anywhere (apart from Germany granted) where you can show me a supair only model that is working. Rec-ball is the lifeblood of this sport. Compared to rec ball we as tourney ballers mean ****.

edit: if supair really pays the money out, why cant markie c up north quit his job and run the northern quarter full time? Why cant dave at DF7's quit his job (does he still own rekka?!?)



The PA didnt work because they went around it wrong and teams didnt like that. It seems to me that everyone wants this league but when things get a little too rough they all jump ship. The refs are also independent. They dont play for any teams in the league. Youve got what you asked for but you dont seem to want it?!




i wouldn't say were gangsta as such tbh. Were paintballers and in most cases we swear like sailors. Robbo's a great example of this. Would you say he's gangsta?

The drugs i admit are wrong. I wouldn't take drugs whilst at a tournament as i wouldn't feel comfortable playing under the influence of anything but some people just dont have yours or my morals.


define fair price? Lets think about what needs ot be paid.
Venue, Marquee, fields (if they are bought) marshalls, admin costs, toilets, netting (sometimes) plus numerous other costs.



So the UKPSF then? if only paintballers gave a ****.



played as a real sport. Too much emphasis is placed on the TV side? why cant we get the house in order and then give a damn about the TV side of things.

Players, playing for fun again.

A more professional attitude from players.

But like any of that is gonna happen.
Amazing. this written by someone seen to be shouting abuse at lesser teams from the stands at campaign cup 2k5. quote "YOU SUCK" ring any bells?

???
 

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Lol kyle...i scream 'you suck' at anyone, not just 'lesser teams' as you call them. ask nicky t, edwards - whoever. :) Hell XSV even felt my wrath at CC 05 :)

To me paintball has to be about having fun. Whether that be in the stands or on the field.

Granted though i take your point - highly hypocritical of me :)

edit: re - read and im trying to figure out how me shouting you suck has any bearing on what i said...