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I have seen a lot of friends drop out of the UK tourny scene in the last 18 months, and it is looking increasingly likely that I will too this year. I spend a lot of time wondering why people do not seem to WANT to play tournaments.

One issue I believe is this :-

Punter days mean appox 10 x 15 min games played in a day = 150mins 'balling.
Modern Supair Tourny 8 games x 1.5 min games = 12mins 'balling.

The thought of travelling hours, spending all day waiting around (typically in crappy weather) to spend £75 on a day's play, for a total of maybe 12 minutes spent shooting your gun (if you play every game) - why the hell DO we do it ! And how can you sell that to somebody enjoying playing in the woods.

If you win - then great - the buzz is worth the input. If you don't win, only a very small percentage of people are going to keep this up before finding something better to do on their sundays - like playing on their xbox.

Paintball tournaments need to be more fun for the input (be it travelling time, total cost etc). I cannot say I get terribly excited anymore rolling up to see this month's layout of the same bouncy bunkers, ... unlike going to play at Phil Ham's old place near Detling, with Hyperball, Arenaball, the bale field and the mound field, ... just the fact that it had 4 different field types added some craziness and variety (and more fun ?) to the proceedings.

I guess as the sport has successfully 'progressed' into a more competition based experience, fun will always have been the victim. It's good for the die-hard tournament fanatics, but we won't ever be successful selling this to the masses; no more than if we tried to encourage more people to take up proffesional golf, tennis, squash etc etc.
 

Sid85

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Which again brings us back to the attitude of current players.

Funnily enough your rarely, if ever, hear the likes of Northern Xposure, Clan, Jersey Warriors moaning about the distance that they need to travel to play an event.
Fair comment Dodge...but..if Scotland was full of tournaments...would you travel to England? Or would you roll out your bed, drive an hour and play Edinburgh.....England has a tournament scene, we don't, so it's not a case of we WANT to travel, it's a case of we HAVE to travel....get my drift...x
 

Wendyism

Lady Organ Grinder
I have spoken at length with Robbo, Ledz, and Jim Frensham some of the most knowledgeable and respected people in the paintball industry about the current state of UK paintball. I was very pleased that they give me the thumbs up and offered their support to my plans for the UK Masters in 2009. I dont want anyone thinking i am trying to get above myself, i genuinely want to improve, expand, the sport I love and make a living from.

Firstly i am strongly promoting my King of the Hill events to newbies....rec ballers in a variety of ways, a reduced entry fee, limited paint, 12 bps, semi only...with the help of the industry i will be approaching like minded site owners to encourage their own gunners onto the next level of paintball.

I will also be running the Southern and Midland Masters on two separate weekends of the same month, with KotH, 5 man ramping and UKM Lite all on the same day. Dates for 2009 will be released tommorrow.

January and February will be pre season warmers followed by a series of 6 rounds running March thru to August all rounds counting towards series points.

All the 5 man ramping teams from the Southern and Midland Masters will hold the June round in conjuction with D3 at Campaign Cup, with a reduced entry and points still counting towards the series.

The UKM Lite will also run over 6 rounds but only 4 will count towards series points, so that teams committed to Millenniums and EPL events are not tied to playing two full series.

In conjuction with the UKPSF, and Dark Warrior I am also looking to start a national player id system which truthfully is in the early stages and will incorporate the personal liability insurance.

September will still see my two day event, the top 3 NSPL teams, top 3 Freekz teams, top 3 Southern and Midland Masters teams will be invited to a play off for UK Champion.....of these the top 3/4 will have the opportunity to play the Millennium in Paris 2009 against the top French and German teams for the European Championship.....

I am hoping by giving the leagues some sort of structure this will encourage exsisting ballers in every aspect of the game and recruit new players to the sport.
 

Robbo

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I wanna thank each and every one of you guys for your input to this thread and I'm pretty sure within this thread lies the answers to our problems but as I mentioned earlier, it requires a little sifting through to sort out what's relevant ..... but, that's the easy part because it is of no practical use whatsoever in just knowing the answers, we have to act on them accordingly to effect significant change.
Ignoring that for the time being, I will attempt to sift through the ideas and come up with a plan of action.

I don't for one second believe I am the only man to be able to do this, nor even, my opinion is better than anyone else's but I do have 20 years experience in this sport and I have no congenital malfunctions with the reasoning areas of my brain (that I know of) - and so on that basis, I will attempt to put things into some sort of order.

Once done, I will post my conclusions up here in another thread and then let you guys hack it to pieces or at least flag up other ideas or things I may have missed out.
Give me a couple of days or so to sort this out and I'll post something up shortly.
Once again, a massive thankyou from myself and UK ball for the time and effort a lot of you have obviously gone to in an attempt to flesh out why we are in such a mess.
Cheers guys !

PS I think Barry Fuggle will be positing something up here on Monday so it might be worthwhile seeing what he has to say because he will have a few angles on things because of his unique positions as a Millennium Series owner, a site owner and industry businessmen.
I will certainly look forward to his contribution.
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Just a little addition...

I mentioned earlier that we need recruitment and retention of players.

What that basically means is two things: Paintball needs to have a low threshold in order for people to pick it up (recruitment) and it needs to be fun above else if we want people to stay in the game (retention).

Personally I feel that paintball has a low threshold. It doesn't really cost much to be able to start playingwith your own gear, we have companies like Spyder, Tippmann and Brass Eagle to thank for that, even though most of you hate them.

The retention part however is more troublesome. I advice everybody reads Ledz's post, as he makes heaps of sense.
If somebody just starts playing and has only a limited budget, he won't have much fun being blasted by punk kids with "layzors". There needs to be a platform (a serious one) for every level and style of paintball. At the moment there isn't. You have recplayers with layzors and tournament players with layzors. This seriously limits the influx of bright eyed new people. Sure, many will buy a simple blowback, but after they've been blasted a few weeks in a row by the people with the expensive kit, they lose interest.
The result is a very limited influx of new players that actually stick at it. Combine that with the rate at which people give up paintball, particularly when the economy is only so-so, and you may well be talking negative growth.