This Millennium 15BPS rule...

[Intheno]

yes, good idea!
So, with the $2000 charge instigated as jota suggests, with $1000 going to an unfairly challenged team, does this seem a decent way of stamping out the cheats without talking for weeks about how to regulate new rules put in place due to the inabilty to enforce the existing ones?

 

[gaff]

trouble is no one would take the risk of losing $1000, and the cheats would get away with it again!

you could have rules to allow guns to be collected after the last game, and returned after a full test, but again if teams knew they were getting tested after their last game they would simply re install their stock board

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Intheno

Nick
You should be concerned with harmonisation of rules, if you are concerned about the bigger picture, This rules thing is bad for the game. It demonstrates a lack of ability to control the technology in the guns. We need to show outsiders that our rules have teeth.

Ofcourse I am concerned about harmonisation - I have voiced that numerous times - I just don't think THIS is the logical place to start, because to everyone who does NOT own a paintball marker, these rules are completely irrelevant.

They have no real impact on how the game is viewed or enjoyed as a spectator (be it directly or via media).

To stick with the Formula 1 analogy, it's kinda like them spending a lot of energy harmonising rules on the shape and size of the stearing wheel, while the cars are driving different cirquits, with different lap limits, different starting procedures and different enginesizes.

Can you explain the deeper significance to the outside world, that NPPL teams have their guns tested to one set of rules, and the MS teams to another ?

BTW - your reply to Sam: To my knowledge, the most boards in the industry today are NOT readable to anyone, as the boards have been blocked after production. - This is done to prevent competitors from stealing/copying code.

Nick

 

[Intheno]

Nick.
to your knowledge that may well be the case. To my knowledge it isn't.

 

[Chicago]

The problem, Intheno, is twofold:

You can't currently read what's on the chips, so it doesn't matter if the fee to "call out" a team is $1 or $100,000, since you once the $whatever is paid, thee isn't anybody who can tell if the board is a cheater board or not.

Two, it's a bad analogy. In motor sports, you're dealing with a smaller, and relatively better funded, set of competitors. Where the cheats do the most damage is in Rookie/Novice, and those teams don't have $1,000 to spend even if they're 100% sure their opponents are cheating.

On top of that, a challenge-type rule is only a SUPPLEMENT to regular rules enforcement done by the league, not a substitute.


At the end of the day though, a challenge process doesn't really have anything to do with the rule at all - it's just a means of enforcement. Doesn't make any sense to talk about enforcement until you actually have enforcable rules in the first place.

We could ban eating syrup within 60 days of an event, and vacuum out the stomach contents of anyone playing to check for syrup if their opponent put up $1,000, but it wouldn't stop people from eating syrup in the 60 days before the event. Unless you can tell if people are cheating, no amount of penalty is going to do you any good.

 

[Chicago]

Which brings me to the real solution:

Mandate chips where the software can be read, provide a "base" copy of certified software for free to whoever wants it, and charge anyone who wants to install software with modifications to get that software certified.

At the event, just compare the software on the chip to see if it matches certified software.

And, there you could use a challenge rule so opponents have the option of forcing a check if the league isn't doing one randomly.

 

[Crpstack]

Yupp


Make software transparent to a select few in the tourny organisers and check that. That way noone gets hurt (too much) and we all gonna be happy.

If we dont do that then we did one thing got the 15bps cap wich will do NOTHING to change ramping and any other cheatermode. Matter of fact it encourages ramping and other trickery as no one has metronome fingers to hit that 65ms window of opportunity..


Peace

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

That will simply not happen

Make software transparent to a select few in the tourny organisers and check that. That way noone gets hurt (too much) and we all gonna be happy

Most manufacturers will just say "no".

And I don't think any of the leagues have the balls to go up against the major manufacturers at this point in time.

N

 

[drhp]

Someone ask how 15bps sounded. Here you have it.

 

[trummar]

Chronojudges check for FPS at the gates of the field. Why not have him takes a random gun and upload new software to it. At Millennium they check if your airsystem is legal. Why not check if the board is legal. And then you might risk the possibillity that a board-judge checks you board before entering the field.

Flaw nr. 1 : That will not catch cheaters only prevent them from using the cheat.

OR the solution would be that every gun must be uploaded with new code at the entrance and a seriously complicated system with checksums, and barcodes and whatnot would ensure that the previous code had not been changed since last time. That means more work for already busy people.



T.