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This Accuracy $hit is B/S!!!

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Originally posted by jynxfactor
Understood Budda and I agree with you (mostly).

By the way where exactly is cloud nine?
Amsterdam, Netherlands! ;)

Ahhhhh....
To all the people involved in this thread, this is the way to have a discussion. We disagree with eachother on some points, but we try to sway the other to our cause by using arguments, not by seeing who is the loudest. Well done to all of you!

Oh, one thing I like to clear up. You mentioned that the volume on both paintballs needed to be the same for my theory to work, and I agree with that. As a matter of fact, without two completely equal paintballs, all our theories would just be a bunch of yahoo.
So now we join the knights of the round table on their quest to find to completely identical paintballs! (like that'll ever happen)
 
spyder freak barrel shocktech pressure chamber etc

Originally posted by }{y8ri|)
Does a dear marker ie Angel/cocker/impulse/shocker/bushmaster
have better range accuracy ball to ball as well or is it just looks and more b.p.s??

compaired to a spyder
With the same regulation of air/paint/barrel
The heavy and fast bolt of a spyder kicks like a donkey, the way the gas is released is quite inaccurate compared to other designs making it inconsistent, giving the marker a larger grouping than a better design of marker.

Range is only affected by fps, unless you use one of them daft bent barrel gimmicks.
 

TheRo0sTer

VW's are the game
Originally posted by Buddha 3
It's funny how this debate comes back every two to three months or so....:rolleyes:
I only brought it back to life cause I kept hearing from a certian individual I won't say WAALKER! That one marker was more accurate than another! I figured I would voice my opinion about making all the variables the same and all would be the same! Internal working pressures have JACK $hit to do with the accuracy of the marker if you meet the criteria that listed in the begining! Oh yeah guess what I can access this joint from my local work terminal! Believe it or not I have more time to type here than I do at work back in the UK!:rolleyes: Peace and it is good to see this thread has such a good response!
 

jynxfactor

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Perhaps now that we have all gotten this out of our systems, when we discouse the accuracy of a gun maby we should add the statment "the relative accuracy or the suchandsuch gun in my hands exibits more accuracy then that other gun does".
 

cjohns

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Originally posted by TheRo0sTer


I only brought it back to life cause I kept hearing from a certian individual I won't say WAALKER! That one marker was more accurate than another! I figured I would voice my opinion about making all the variables the same and all would be the same! Internal working pressures have JACK $hit to do with the accuracy of the marker if you meet the criteria that listed in the begining! Oh yeah guess what I can access this joint from my local work terminal! Believe it or not I have more time to type here than I do at work back in the UK!:rolleyes: Peace and it is good to see this thread has such a good response!
This thread is lame.

P.S. Roo, I got me a nice 2k Dark Angel on the way:D :D
 

cjohns

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Originally posted by TheRo0sTer


Kewl Chip maybe you can hold onto this one for more than 2 months! LOL

How about...

"This marker I have now, is more accurate for me than my previous one!" Then we won't kick a dying dog anymore!:D
Yeah, I promised Emily I would keep this one for a year. The deal was if I don't keep it, I can't go to any Milleniums!!!!!

I think I will keep it:D
 

Burb

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It was asked in another post what effect do riffled barrels have on spinning a paintball, not drilled holes, actual rifling like in real guns. This is a good question and one that was explored by our research team.

In theory spinning a projectile on the axis of flight adds gyroscopic stability as well as averages out any imperfections in the surface air flow. Paintballs leave a bad turbulence wake behind them that "walks around" the back of the ball as it flies through the air. This is the main cause of a paintballs inaccuracy as the turbulence tail drags the ball around sideways in flight. Spinning the ball should create a tornado like vortex in the back of the ball thereby evening out all the turbulence so the ball is not pulled any particular way.

So great you say lets do it and get more accuracy!! Well if it was possible it would already have been done. The problem is the liquid fill, when you rotate the shell, the liquid tends to stay where it is. The best example of this is a glass of water with ice floating in it, when you rotate the glass the ice stays in the same place (you have all seen it). So if you can grab the ball hard enough to go from 0 to about 10,000 RPM's in 5 thousands of a second (remember TechTip #1?) Yes the shell is spinning but the fill is not. When the ball leaves the barrel the viscosity of the fill slows the shell down but the fill's rotation is speeding up from the shell too, so you get an almost instant reduction of the RPM's out of the barrel. The balls rotation does not come to a complete stop because the shell does impart some spin to the fill. In order to test this properly we actually developed a gun that spun the barrel, with the ball in it, up to 30,000 RPM's and then shot the ball out.

In this way we knew the ball and the fill were completely up to speed when it left the barrel. We had visions of a spinning barrel paintgun that would make that high speed turbo wine! Unfortunately this didn't improve the accuracy because the ball is still too light.

As a final test we developed a barrel that had three razor edged knife blades running down the length of the bore. Using our plastic paintballs they wedged in the blades perfectly and we spun up the barrel and fired more test rounds. Because the knives would cut the ball we could examine them after the fact to see if they were rotating in the barrel etc. Again unfortunately we saw no improvement in accuracy and gave up.

Based on this data we believe round paintballs are too light and have lousy aerodynamics to expect any more accuracy than what we are currently getting. When the military came to us and wanted a more accurate non lethal system we made a bullet shaped, spin stabilized paintball that far outperformed any equal weight round projectile. Accuracy by volume has been, and will remain, the best way to score eliminations.
Interesting?

AGD have done all kinds of test's on accuarcy and there results are always interestings.



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TheRo0sTer

VW's are the game
Originally posted by cjohns


Yeah, I promised Emily I would keep this one for a year. The deal was if I don't keep it, I can't go to any Milleniums!!!!!

I think I will keep it:D
Damn your @$$ better keep it then... Or you will have a marker and no where to go! Dood you should see the 2K1 I was offered for my Green C&C... Oh you remember Latham's LCD? Well a dood wants to trade me straight up for my C&C. SWEET!!!:D