The teams SO FAR

[darm]

Niall mate,
Once a zider drinker always a zider drinker. And just where do you go on your holidays now??????
Tawnton thats where and don't lie......you never escape.

Darm

 

[Collier]

Nelly

Originally posted by Mark T, Rushers

I think you will do it - just to be fair to the real Novs out there - there are more than a few sandbaggers in that lot!!!

Mark

So in your opinion who should be playing AM?

Paul

 

[Stan]

Novice to Am???

Impact UK
JCS Inferno 1 UK
The Kelly's UK
Maxem UK
Menace UK

Overlord UK - should definitely be forced to go Pro

Skulls UK
Tigers UK
Thunder UK

???

Comments?


(This'll put the sabre toothed tiger among the wildebeast as they say!!!)

Wibble!!!

 

[Liz]

Impact UK - first proper season in Millenniums, made 2(?) semi finals this year. Oooh, real sandbagging here !
JCS Infern 1 - formed this year only, constantly changing squad.
Maxem - don't really know anything about them at all, which says something about where they should be ranked! I don't mean they are cr@p or anything, just that I don't know anything they've won or even when/where they've played, which doesn't say "Am" to me.
Menace UK. OK, they've been winning lots recently have they? Again, where & when are they getting the kind of results that say they are at International Amateur status?

Remember guys, International rankings are very different from UK rankings. A team that can win say, Midland Masters top division will struggle in Am at a Millennium especially if they haven't played many.

I respect all of the teams Stan mentions (apart from his aside about Overlord ) & am certainly NOT implying they are not good at their level, but many of them would have real problems playing above Novice internationally. The better ones should be allowed at least ONE year in Novice to find their feet at Millennium events!

Sandbagging teams are more those who stay at a level for 2 or more years despite regularly making the finals or all the semis at Millenniums, or stay down after actually winning the whole series at whatever level.

 

[FAMINE]

Ahh so its wrong to struggle in a division rather than walk in another

In my book Am is Am and Nov is Nov.

No need to mention team names as those that are doing it know themselves and must be happy to win in an easier division, Hell trophys always go down well, and am sure its better to win a division than come last in another. But if thats the satisfaction they wanna take from it, Then let them have it

I am just there to have some fun and see how the new squad is coming along.

This year Apoc will be having Lasoya,rocky,robbo,bob long and a few others playing on our squad. Not been playing long together so i am sure its justifiable

 

[Adrenochrome]

Sandbaggers

Just to set the record straight, thunder have been around in one form or another for some time but we arent the same thunder of last year even. We lost our captain and a lot of other experienced players to, babies, travelling and the cost of playing millenium seies events.

Campign is the first ever millenium for two of our eight players and for two others it is the first millenium with us. So thats half the team as it now stands real noobs.

We would like to turn am and will when we get a stable team at nov and not turn out a new squad at each event.

When all the changes went thru we could have just taken a new name but the few of us left would like to see thunder on the rise again and are working towards that in nov and after we put enuf graft in hopefully in am

 

[Tommy Gun-Nexus]

I TOTALLY agree with Liz on the sandbagging debate. Playing in an International tournament, such as Campaign, is totally different from playing a local event in England. The standard of teams is alot higher. This has been proved by Kellys (a QUALITY team, should be Am), yet they have found it hard winning at Novice in the Millenium series.

Teams will only choose to move up if they are consistantly getting good results against quality opposition. Not just because they have won at Temple one time..

Just my 2ps worth.

Tom

 

[Greg]

yes admidetly kellys are a very good team and yes they win a lot in the u.k. but if they are'nt winning everysingle time they play milleniums then whats the problem

Kyle

 

[Liz]

I think the problem here is that Famine doesn't seem to accept that national standard amateur is very different to INTERnational standard Am. Just 'cause a team can win at say, Temple a few times, on fields they play regularly (fields which rarely change) against opponents they meet week after week, doesn't mean to say they will rock at a Millennium.
Millenniums are a whole different standard. There are UK teams that class as Pro (nationally) that struggle at Millennium Novice. These are teams that would rip apart some of those that Famine mentions in his post.

Also, I wasn't suggesting that "its wrong to struggle in a division rather than walk in another" as he suggests. More like it's not out of order to be in a division where they might, just might, if they play at their best, make a semi occasionally rather than enter in a division where they'll get ripped apart in just about every game.

Nick, you won't find half these teams on the Scoreboard 'cause they've only played domestic 'ball until now, or maybe a Mayhem (when it was in the UK) or Campaign Cup in the past. Stan seems to be basing his views on results in South East England this year, as there are plenty of very good teams that play the 2002 Series up North or the Midlands Masters series that he hasn't mentioned.

 

[Liz]

Well.....

Originally posted by Nick Iuel-Brockdorff
...then change your local ranking to match the Millennium Series - rather than the other way around !

If that makes it difficult for the newest teams, introduce a level below Novice !

Nick

Doesn't really work like that. You get 45 teams enter an event, the organisers need to run 5 divisions of 9 teams each. I don't think there's even 9 Millennium standard pro teams in the country & even if there are, they won't all be at that one event. So the "top" division is usually made up of 2 or 3 pro teams & a bunch of Ams, 2nd division all Ams, 3rd a couple Ams & the rest good novice etc.
Now I'm talking international standards here - I can't remember the last time I went to a non-Mayhem or Campaign Cup event in the UK where there were "official" rankings of Pro, Am & Novice. Usually the organisers take a look at the entry list & place teams according to their recent record - e.g. the 2002 series has a sort of ladder system where teams move up & down according to how well they did the previous month. For simplicity's sake, many people refer to the teams frequently in the top or upper couple of divisions as "pro", only because they tend to do well at that particular series.

So we can't really amend our local rankings to match Millennium ones, 'cause we don't really HAVE any! It's all different people's perception anyway. To a complete non-baller I would class as a "pro", to a comparative newcomer I would probably be thought of as "Am", to most UK teams I'm "Novice" & to the top international teams I'm just about "rookie" level if that. Going by what I've read of their posts, Stan & Famine's perception of what classes as Novice & Am are rather different from mine (or the Millennium regulars).