The New MS Scoring system, HOT or NoT?
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The general principle is a good one, and i can understand how it will work in the finals stage. The confusing bit is how to separate teams drawing on the same match points at the end of the prelims. In a div of 20 plus teams you could have maybe 7 teams all on '6'. (like the example given earlier) Using the MS criteria of 'first using head to head results to separate teams' you would have to look at all six teams' results against the other 5 teams in that div. Not all teams will have played each other anyway as there are several groups within a div... or am i missing something really simple here?? (probably so 
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American football scoring is very similar to Rugby thats why we find it easy to follow the scoring over here
This would work differently in a league with large variable divisions where teams play a random draw of some of the teams, compared with smaller fixed size divs where everyone plays everyone.
And how often do we see draws and flags in transit. Admittedly we may see more transits in a centreflag format though.
Hows this for an alternative, get rid of flags all together. Just do it on body count. Pretty extreme change? or is it really any different from how we play at the moment? We try and eliminate all the opposition and then mess around with the flag when we are the only ones left on the field.
This would accurately reflect the difference in the teams performance. With the exception of center flag formats with points for first flag grabs, the flags play very little part in the game anyway, its just a throw-back to the woods, when you could sneak round the back and nick their flag.
And how often do we see draws and flags in transit. Admittedly we may see more transits in a centreflag format though.
Hows this for an alternative, get rid of flags all together. Just do it on body count. Pretty extreme change? or is it really any different from how we play at the moment? We try and eliminate all the opposition and then mess around with the flag when we are the only ones left on the field.
This would accurately reflect the difference in the teams performance. With the exception of center flag formats with points for first flag grabs, the flags play very little part in the game anyway, its just a throw-back to the woods, when you could sneak round the back and nick their flag.
It could be done in a number of ways:
Option A Use the ED as each teams score.
E.g. Team A eliminates all of Team B with 5 players remaining, so Team A gets 5 points, Team B gets -5 points
This would result in scores ranging from 7 to -7. With teams always having the negative value of their opponents score. The total number of points in the division should add up to 0, with the bottom half of the division having overall negative scores. Teams would get a bigger spread of scores as winning would not give you the max points. However there would be negative scores which might confuse the spectators, perhaps?
Option B Rather than using ED, use the number of eliminations the team made as its score.
E.g. Team A has 4 players left at the end of the game having eliminated all of team B, Team A get 7 points (number of B's they eliminated), team B get 3 (Number of A's they eliminated).
This would result in scores ranging from 0 to 7 for each team. So no overall negative scores to confuse the poor spectator. However the winning team would almost always get 7 points except in the case of the clock running out.
This could result in very similar scores for the top teams in large divisions. Although how many of there opposition they eliminated in the games they lost would still be taken in to account giving more distinction than the '1 for a draw, 2 for a transit, 3 for a win system'.
Option C Each teams score is the number of players they have in at the end of the game plus the number of opposition they eliminated.
E.g. Team A has 4 players left at the end of the game having eliminated all of team B, Team A get 11 points (4 points for there remaining players, plus 7 points for the B's they eliminated), team B get 3 (0 points for remaining players as they are all gone, plus 3 for the A's they eliminated.
This would result in scores ranging from 0 to 14, with the two teams scores always adding up to 14. There would be no negative scores and the teams would have a wide range of scores even for games they win, giving diverse total scores even in a large division.
For all of the above systems, penalty points could be applied easily.
Option A Use the ED as each teams score.
E.g. Team A eliminates all of Team B with 5 players remaining, so Team A gets 5 points, Team B gets -5 points
This would result in scores ranging from 7 to -7. With teams always having the negative value of their opponents score. The total number of points in the division should add up to 0, with the bottom half of the division having overall negative scores. Teams would get a bigger spread of scores as winning would not give you the max points. However there would be negative scores which might confuse the spectators, perhaps?
Option B Rather than using ED, use the number of eliminations the team made as its score.
E.g. Team A has 4 players left at the end of the game having eliminated all of team B, Team A get 7 points (number of B's they eliminated), team B get 3 (Number of A's they eliminated).
This would result in scores ranging from 0 to 7 for each team. So no overall negative scores to confuse the poor spectator. However the winning team would almost always get 7 points except in the case of the clock running out.
This could result in very similar scores for the top teams in large divisions. Although how many of there opposition they eliminated in the games they lost would still be taken in to account giving more distinction than the '1 for a draw, 2 for a transit, 3 for a win system'.
Option C Each teams score is the number of players they have in at the end of the game plus the number of opposition they eliminated.
E.g. Team A has 4 players left at the end of the game having eliminated all of team B, Team A get 11 points (4 points for there remaining players, plus 7 points for the B's they eliminated), team B get 3 (0 points for remaining players as they are all gone, plus 3 for the A's they eliminated.
This would result in scores ranging from 0 to 14, with the two teams scores always adding up to 14. There would be no negative scores and the teams would have a wide range of scores even for games they win, giving diverse total scores even in a large division.
For all of the above systems, penalty points could be applied easily.
Steve
Nick
I think option C is a great idea - and would recommend to the MS they implement that!
Nick
Cheers nick, I'm glad you think so.
Russel, could you have a go again at seeing how this affects the div 1 results from the PA last year.
Also, couldn't we work it out from the ED in the example the milenium posted?
I'll have a look at that when i have a minute. Unless anyone else fancies haveing a go in the mean time.
Russel, could you have a go again at seeing how this affects the div 1 results from the PA last year.
Also, couldn't we work it out from the ED in the example the milenium posted?
I'll have a look at that when i have a minute. Unless anyone else fancies haveing a go in the mean time.
i think its a good idea should make it a lot easier to understand.
but i gota play it first before i say anything else
but i gota play it first before i say anything else