The UKPBA forums are quite fun to read, DF seems to be exceptionally rated by all of the posters.
The end of the UKPSF ??
- Thread starter Steve Bull
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So DF starts it's own accredition because it can't get it from any other established govenring body. I think it's bloody genius!
I'm sure it's pissing off all the legitimate site owners, but it's a great strategy.
It's the underhanded strategys like this that keep fueling the loathing the rest of the ligitimate paintballing community feel for DF.
I mean, how much does it suck to find out that after years of hard work, and investing everything you have to build a paintball site, only to have some low rent alternaitive show up a mile down the road and nick many of your customers.
Then you piss off the general public with your high street marketing scam. Now everyone assumes that all paintball sites are going to hard sell you.
Then, after increased pressure to confrom to standards you can't meet, you simply go off and start your own federation, that oddly enough the rest of the ligimate sites won't be allowed to join.
But i guess if you really believe what you're saying hard enough, that will make it come true.
I look forward to the day when England is completly assimilated by Delta Force sites. Every high street, every shoping mall, filled with DF hardsellers harrassing you each step of the way. Crappy sites, with coleslaw paint, and hords of 11 year olds with 200 paintballs to last a day, and only body shots count (want to buy an extra hundred kiddy...).
Man it's going to suck. But with tactics like this, the general public is the unsuspecting victim. Sure they'll come to play, but will the come back again and again? I mean cancer... it keeps growing too, but eventually it kills!
I'm sure it's pissing off all the legitimate site owners, but it's a great strategy.
It's the underhanded strategys like this that keep fueling the loathing the rest of the ligitimate paintballing community feel for DF.
I mean, how much does it suck to find out that after years of hard work, and investing everything you have to build a paintball site, only to have some low rent alternaitive show up a mile down the road and nick many of your customers.
Then you piss off the general public with your high street marketing scam. Now everyone assumes that all paintball sites are going to hard sell you.
Then, after increased pressure to confrom to standards you can't meet, you simply go off and start your own federation, that oddly enough the rest of the ligimate sites won't be allowed to join.
But i guess if you really believe what you're saying hard enough, that will make it come true.
I look forward to the day when England is completly assimilated by Delta Force sites. Every high street, every shoping mall, filled with DF hardsellers harrassing you each step of the way. Crappy sites, with coleslaw paint, and hords of 11 year olds with 200 paintballs to last a day, and only body shots count (want to buy an extra hundred kiddy...).
Man it's going to suck. But with tactics like this, the general public is the unsuspecting victim. Sure they'll come to play, but will the come back again and again? I mean cancer... it keeps growing too, but eventually it kills!
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ollytheosteo
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The terrifying "golden ring" of paintball illuminati have managed to keep all these wonderful safe cheap happy sites (where children play with gumdrop smiles on bunkers made of chocolate under lollipop skies, obv) on the edge of bankruptcy by their evil machinations and hideous conspiracies. There was me thinking they all sat around eating big pies all day, obviously evil pies it seems.
Let's consider the question of "what have you done for me lately?";
UKPSF- constant useful dialogue with the Home Office that has allowed us to skate over much recent legislative bull****, set standards for UK sites, organised great events like big games etc, represents the sport at every turn and considers all players, not just the tournament types. Plus loads of other stuff I can't be arsed to look up but they've been doing it for a lot of years and Steve still hasn't got a sunbed tan and lots of bling so all the huge piles of loot must be going on bacon butties I suppose.
UKPBA- **** all. A lot of talk, whining and unfounded claims built on a network of sites with a terrible reputation countrywide, piss poor high pressure sales tactics, markers in malls etc etc. If the site network has now decided to clean up its collective act that's lovely, but jumping from there to running UK paintball and setting standards for everyone else is a bad joke and whatever their policies are now they have had a terrible rep for a long long time re insurance, safety, crap staff/kit etc. Saying they have supported other sites (in some cases set up years before they came along- clever
) is almost too funny to be bearable, and the idea of these monkeys being so good as to provide "governance of the sport" based on their own brand of punter democracy that marginalises committed players whilst giving a vote to everyone who passes through their network is an insult to everyone who has ever owned their own marker or played more than once. Thanks UKPBA but we didn't ask you to take over and I'd rather not be "governed" by you if that's ok Do not anger the Golden Ring or it will speak harshly to you!
Oh dear God, here we go again... Soz guys it's going to be a long one...I'm not getting involved in the UKPBA aspect of this as i don't have enough information about their aims and objectives but here are my replies to the accusations re Delta Force, who as usual are being comdemned without evidence again (yawn):
We have many many testimonials from businesses, individuals and community groups writing to thank us for a good day's paintballing, allow me to quote an extract from one of the most recent, an Education Business Partnership in Wales: This is just one off the top of the pile, waiting for filing, not specifically selected and not edited in any way apart from removing peoples' names.:
I took 70 disaffected pupils aged between 14 and 15 to your Cardiff centre over 3 days. The manager and staff were professional, polite and patient with the pupils. Many of these pupils have poor family backgrounds and can be difficult to deal with at the best of times, having little or no respect for authority and lack motivation and self confidence. Your manager and his staff were firm and fair when running the activity and were a credit to your company. The pupils were disappointed when they finally had to leave.
The teachers and youth co-ordinators who attended the event said that your manager and his staff had been excellent role models for the pupils and commended their professional attitude towards the groups. I look forward to working with your company in the future.
Hmm really well thought out post backed up with sound evidence...did it long to research and compose? No, didn't think so.
Gups
Ah, time of the month always brings out the best in me, bet y'all can't wait for my autobiography
What do you mean 'low rent organisation'? Do you not think that DF don't also invest large amounts of money in it's centres? Also, DF don't actively nick other sites players, we sell in the highstreets and via our website, we don't canvass players entering competitors sites, although funny you should mention it, at a DF centre about 4 months ago, a competitor entered OUR car park and put THEIR flyers under every cars' wiperblades, yet DF didn't resort to posting this sites name on the forums and try to gain them a bad rep, did we?
Maybe you can you explain what you mean by 'scam'? Do you have any evidence for this or just forum heresay? It's perfectly clear what's included/not included on the tickets the public buy. I'm sure i've filled you in on this before on these boards but i'll reiterate.. If a purchaser has a genuine complaint, the tickets can very easily be tracked back to the individual who sold them. I agree, some people feel pissed off when approached by high street salesfolk, be it a charity, double glazing or paintball, but many many others take the opportunity to purchase tickets and so i assume are not 'pissed off'. Those who don't want to buy only need to walk on.
Who was applying this supposed 'increased pressure', Red? And what 'standards' can't DF meet? Could you be more specific so we can answer this very general, unsubstantiated, slagging off please?
And you have visited the 18 DF centres and seen the thorough 5-point paint quality tests we carry out before we accept each pallet of paint in order to make that claim, i assume? No, didn't think so...more general thin-air assumptions based on your vaccumous reasoning, i see. FYI, DF buy paintballs from the same well-known, reputable distributors as most other UK paintball sites and have more stringent 'pass' grades than many other sites, according to what i'm told by the distributors, when i go to spend a day paint testing with them.
If 11 yr olds wish to make their 200 paintballs last all day, that's their perogative, they are paying customers too. 'Kiddies' groups are kept seperate from adults groups at DF so they can play at their own speed and level and within their own budget without feeling intimidated by adults. But hang on, that's contradicting the claim others have made that we're only in it for the money..Surely there's very little if any profit in 200 paintballs a day?
Absolutely! I'll get exact figures for you if you wish, but i believe about a third of DF customers, er sorry, to use your terminology 'victims', play at our centres more than once a year.
We have many many testimonials from businesses, individuals and community groups writing to thank us for a good day's paintballing, allow me to quote an extract from one of the most recent, an Education Business Partnership in Wales: This is just one off the top of the pile, waiting for filing, not specifically selected and not edited in any way apart from removing peoples' names.:
I took 70 disaffected pupils aged between 14 and 15 to your Cardiff centre over 3 days. The manager and staff were professional, polite and patient with the pupils. Many of these pupils have poor family backgrounds and can be difficult to deal with at the best of times, having little or no respect for authority and lack motivation and self confidence. Your manager and his staff were firm and fair when running the activity and were a credit to your company. The pupils were disappointed when they finally had to leave.
The teachers and youth co-ordinators who attended the event said that your manager and his staff had been excellent role models for the pupils and commended their professional attitude towards the groups. I look forward to working with your company in the future.
Yeah cheers m8, my mum died of cancer last year...but interestingly she'd never played paintball at Delta Force. But then, if i apply the same irrational thought processes as you evidently have used to compose your post, maybe i can assume the fact i work for DF somehow infected her and caused her death???
Hmm really well thought out post backed up with sound evidence...did it long to research and compose? No, didn't think so.
Gups
Ah, time of the month always brings out the best in me, bet y'all can't wait for my autobiography
the usual stream of steady customers who were disatisfied with their day of paintball at deltaforce is more than enough research.
It makes me wonder how many people just never bothered with paintball again.
It makes me wonder how many people just never bothered with paintball again.
Gups, cheap shot girl, I think everybody has lost somebody to cancer and I don't think for one second Colin was being inappropriate with his use of that metaphor but I think you were in trying to elicit sympathy from it or at best, a point of ethics.
Yeah i know that Robbo, i wasn't trying to get sympathy, it's not something i speak of in public generally. I was illustrating the thoughtlessness of his post on the whole. Cancer and paintball have no link, so why mention it? Cancer affects many peoples lives every day. We frown on people who use hurricane or starvation jibes, but the end result is the same.
But having said that, with hindsight and your correction, i admit, cheap shot. Apologies Colin.
But having said that, with hindsight and your correction, i admit, cheap shot. Apologies Colin.