The end of the UKPSF ??

[Robbo]

Originally posted by rancid
Ahem.

....come to think of it, there is one greater power that may need mentioning at this point but my defence in his omission was that I didn't think he ever visited these boards.... but since he has surfaced, I defer, as does Duffitusta to a greater power and one that I will quite readily listen to at all times.

Rancid is the 'Guvnor', of that, I have absolutely no problem in stating

 

[Gups]

Ha ha, i'm well aware of the hierarchy, it was a tongue in cheek pun Considering this thread's esteemed contributors maybe it should be re-named 'Mods and Fockers' in honour? I'll leave you all to decide who should fall into which category

 

[Markie C]

Originally posted by Gups
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The UKPSF is NOT closing down: Hooray, cos i'm a member
Delta Force is NOT an unsafe or sub-standard place play paintball, hooray, cos i work there
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yeah but you dont work at all of them.

 

[JM #036]

Gups could you answer me this.

1)Does your site have insurance?
2)Do all delta force sites have insurance?
3)Is it true that if, for example, a customers burst disk bursts and injures the customer, it’s the marshals responsibility and the customer cant take action against Delta Force only the marshals?

Ive heard the answers to these questions already from various marshals that have or do work at delta force sites around the UK.

Don’t want this to turn into UKPST vs Delta Force thread, just a few points i wudn;t mind put straight

 

[Gups]

Originally posted by Ca$hMoney
Gups could you answer me this.

1)Does your site have insurance?

I work mainly at Head Office these days, yes head office has insurance

2)Do all delta force sites have insurance?

Yes all DF centres have insurance.

3)Is it true that if, for example, a customers burst disk bursts and injures the customer, it’s the marshals responsibility and the customer cant take action against Delta Force only the marshals?

LOL! What a gem! Of course not. First off it wouldn't be for DF to decide if a customer had a claim against the company or not, it would be up to British law, or the insurance ombudsman at least! As the bottles are owned by DF and the marshals are trained and employed by DF then the onus of responsibility, or 'liability', i should have thought would lie with DF. There's nothing in the marshals agreement (the DF contract of employment which all marshals sign to become an employee) to suggest it would be the marshal's fault/responsibility if a burst disk was to fail and injure a customer. If you are speaking of a player's own personal bottle, well no player is allowed to use their own bottle at a DF centre because we cannot know if the valve has been fitted to the cylinder properly and so we cannot guarantee that it won't rocket off and kill a marshal or another customer when the bottle is unscrewed from a gun or fill rig. Own guns, yes, own compressed gas cylinders no, unless we can find a way of ensuring the integrity of said bottles, at which time it might change.

Ive heard the answers to these questions already from various marshals that have or do work at delta force sites around the UK.

I'd be interested to hear the replies you've heard and who from as it's possible someone is mis-informed??? Also do bear in mind that marshals, in the main, are not necessarily well informed of stuff like this so they'll fill in the blanks themselves to appear 'in the know'. I know that because i started off as a DF marshal and for the first a couple of years before i worked at HO I couldn't have answered those questions with the sound conviction as i can now.

Don’t want this to turn into UKPST vs Delta Force thread, just a few points i wudn;t mind put straight

Me too, I totally agree , time the record was set straight and rumours laid to rest I'm not against the UKPSF at all, anything that is pro UK ball is good in my eyes

 

[Gups]

Originally posted by markie c
yeah but you dont work at all of them.

No, as i said above, i work at Head Office, but we are one company, not a group of franchises which some paintball centres operate. It's the individual DF centre managers' responsibility to ensure the cross-company health and safety procedures are enforced at their own centre. If a centre manager has any queries or concerns we have regional managers above the centre managers who they can call on 24 hrs a day for assistance or they can ring any of us at H.O. We also have a quality control dept who continuously do spot checks on all our centres without notice and report on anything they think is sub-standard. Usually their report contains things like crisp packets wafting about in the car park and marshals not displaying name badges!

In addition any manager can air his problems at the monthly H & S meetings which all managers are required to attend. Further down the pecking order, when i attend marshal training days i give them my personal mobile no and tell them to phone me if they have any probs or worries and i'm here 24-7 too, although a call at 3am to ask which way up the Inferno bolt goes would probably result in an abrupt F.O!

 

[Markie C]

delta force is NOT about u.k ball it's about money.

and how they can make it like the people they use for there selling on the street's.

I know for a fact the selling technic's they use or the company they use to do the selling for them marching people to cash till's and selling under age people.

and you might say "well it's not delta force that do the selling"

yeah but they hire they company to do it

 

[Markie C]

i am sorry but i do not want to get into a war of word's but i know a lot of people who work at delta force site's and i know them very well.

they couldnt care less about the h&s of the site and this is some of the manager's as well letting people on stag do that have been drinking all morning go and play letting kid's with no adult run around the place,dont say it's might be just one place because it's not.

All the see when people turn up in the morning is £ sign's
not the furture baller's

 

[Gups]

Markie, open your eyes m8, no UK paintball company is there for the love of the game alone, they are all out to make money, it's called business and it's how every honest person makes a living in free society.

M8, unless you're willing to name and shame these 'DF managers' you refer to and give details to back up your claims then your comments on here have no weight, they are just gossip and will be taken as such. I am telling you that DF H.O are not aware of any such events and if you know otherwise and wish to furnish us with your details and the facts then we WILL investigate.


Thinking about this, I fail to see why a centre manager would allow this at his centre because he is on a fixed salary. Whether these intoxicated players buy paint or not is of no consequence to him he will get the same pay of he has 60 or 600 players that day. Our H&S policy on drink and drugs is that if we suspect any player of being under the influence then he/she will not be allowed to play and will be asked to leave the site. This, if anything, would make the manager's day easier rather than deal with problems caused by a bunch of pissed up numpties! Any marshal seeing a player with alcohol is required to report it to his centre manager, as per the marshals agreement.

Jeez, i think i've doubled my post count today Do i qualify for a prize Robbo?

 

[Markie C]

I think it is you that need's to open your eye's.

Why do you think that delta force has such a bad rep...........

Answer because it doe's nothing to promote our sport,it just put's people off because they think it is so costly. please take in what every one is trying to say to you and the rest off the people that dislike delta force and the other company's that trade on the same basis.......................................................................................................YOU ARE KILLING OUR SPORT............................


This is not personal to you gup's you might have thge best intent's but the company you work for dos'nt

Markie, open your eyes m8, no UK paintball company is there for the love of the game alone, they are all out to make money, it's called business and it's how every honest person makes a living in free society.

Now this is were you are dead wrong.

Our supair training site is run on non-profit all we try to do is bring new people into supair. let the team's come and train have fun

We brought one of the biggest team's in the world over and we just about broke even it wasnt about money it was about the game.