The death Penalty.

[Tricky Dicky]

local news just on...(this taken off bbc website)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/country_profiles/default.stm

Men admit torture attack killing






















Two men have admitted torturing and killing a man with learning difficulties in his home in Glenrothes, Fife. Barry Kidd and Stuart Whyte punched and kicked Mark White and left him locked in his house with a plastic bag over his head last November.
The 31-year-old died of hypothermia. His body was found later after his father raised the alarm.
At the High Court in Edinburgh, Kidd and Whyte admitted culpable homicide.
After the killing, police said Mr White had suffered a "horrific ordeal" before his death.


and some of you guys thing these two murderers should be allowed to live, evidence is definite and the case has been going on since last november....

thumbs up to you guys

 

[Bon]

Bon

How do you come to this bold and brash statement? I look forward to reading your reply

I believe that every person has the right to his or her life. It should be up to that person if they so please to end their life prematurely.

As I do not believe in God, hense, nobody to judge our actions after we die that it comes down to our species to regulate itself.

In a society governed by rules and regulations, where these rules are, and have been freely known to people for hundreds, ney, thousands of years what gives one person the right to take the life of another if the person did not wish to die?

As such, it should be up to us as a society to make sure people like this pay the ultimate price.

I am also on about murder, when someone makes a concious choice to kill someone else, be it pulling a knife in a fight and using it, or planning it or weeks ahead.

Now while you may argue that it was the "heat of the moment" choice to pull the knife out, you still made the descision to a) carry it with you, b) use it.



Accidental deaths however, would be a different case.

 

[Bon]

Two men have admitted torturing and killing a man with learning difficulties in his home in Glenrothes, Fife. Barry Kidd and Stuart Whyte punched and kicked Mark White and left him locked in his house with a plastic bag over his head last November.
The 31-year-old died of hypothermia. His body was found later after his father raised the alarm.
At the High Court in Edinburgh, Kidd and Whyte admitted culpable homicide.
After the killing, police said Mr White had suffered a "horrific ordeal" before his death.


and some of you guys thing these two murderers should be allowed to live, evidence is definite and the case has been going on since last november....

thumbs up to you guys

Exactly my point. The evidence and the conffession from both of them. And why do they confess? To get leanency on their sentencing. Had they not been caught, I doubt they would have fessed up.

People like this are scum, and IMO both of them should be given the death penalty if we had it. If not, a life-tarif without chance for parole. But given how fcuked up our legal system is, theyll probbaly be out on the streets in 15 years.

 

[Dskize]

I believe that every person has the right to his or her life. It should be up to that person if they so please to end their life prematurely.

As I do not believe in God, hense, nobody to judge our actions after we die that it comes down to our species to regulate itself.

In a society governed by rules and regulations, where these rules are, and have been freely known to people for hundreds, ney, thousands of years what gives one person the right to take the life of another if the person did not wish to die?

As such, it should be up to us as a society to make sure people like this pay the ultimate price.

I am also on about murder, when someone makes a concious choice to kill someone else, be it pulling a knife in a fight and using it, or planning it or weeks ahead.

Now while you may argue that it was the "heat of the moment" choice to pull the knife out, you still made the descision to a) carry it with you, b) use it.



Accidental deaths however, would be a different case.

FFS Bon, If you can't see the hypocrisy in this there is genuinely no helping you ...you need to re-think your arguments ...

Unless your specifically going down the route of winding people up for a giggle ..and if you are.....

 

[Bon]

FFS Bon, If you can't see the hypocrisy in this there is genuinely no helping you ...you need to re-think your arguments ...

Unless your specifically going down the route of winding people up for a giggle ..and if you are.....

I do see the potential hypocrisy in what I posted, but I also imply common sence in my beliefs. Hense my previous comment. When you choose to take someone elses life against their will, you yourself forfeit your own right. Now yes you could then say the person who sentenced the person to death forfeitted his right, but that is where the common sence comes into play, and that the person who passed the sentence is only doing the best thing for the rest of us.



You kill someone.
Your caught, you pay for it.
No more worries from other people about you because your not around to do any more harm.



Can it be any simpler?

 

[niallist]

If only life was as black and white as this you would have a point. it's not.

(eta; "it's not" for clarity)

 

[Dskize]

Not potential ...dripping...


Lay it down for me here so I know what I'm discussing ...how does this work?

IE what are the rules ?..who is punishable by death and for what crimes ?,remember mate it's all black and white ....

Nonces ,murderers and junkies are a given so far ...

 

[Bon]

Not potential ...dripping...


Lay it down for me here so I know what I'm discussing ...how does this work?

IE what are the rules ?..who is punishable by death and for what crimes ?,remember mate it's all black and white ....

Nonces ,murderers and junkies are a given so far ...

Any person or persons who make the decision (see below) to end the life of another who has not asked to have their life ended and has not already been found guilty of taking another persons life.

(Decision making can be regarded as an outcome of mental processes (cognitive process) leading to the selection of a course of action among several alternatives. Every decision making process produces a final choice. The output can be an action or an opinion of choice.

Thats sums it up does it not?

 

[Mario]

If the law were to be changed over here in the space of say, 3 months making it very high profile ect ect I think anyone who murdered, or plans on murdering would be scared ****less.

Can i just ask, you believe that a punishment which clearly doesn't work and provides no deterrent which has been around for 100's of years, we could make work in 3 months?

If it truly was a deterrent then there would be no murders in those states which support the death penalty. Sad fact of the matter is there are murders.

Personally i think that our judicial system should be overhauled so that its not a joke anymore. People get out on parole for good behaviour etc when they've beat someone to a bloody pulp or knocked someone over in their car. Thats where the real problem lies.

 

[Bon]

Can i just ask, you believe that a punishment which clearly doesn't work and provides no deterrent which has been around for 100's of years, we could make work in 3 months?

If it truly was a deterrent then there would be no murders in those states which support the death penalty. Sad fact of the matter is there are murders.

Personally i think that our judicial system should be overhauled so that its not a joke anymore. People get out on parole for good behaviour etc when they've beat someone to a bloody pulp or knocked someone over in their car. Thats where the real problem lies.

Partly due to your post. People can kill someone else, and know that most likely in 15 years if they behave in prison they stand a pretty good chance of getting out. Where as, the death penalty would mean there is only one outcome if they are caught.