The back man's friend

[TOOLE]

i don't believe one hose could bother peeps that much considering the huge advatages with reduced profile etc.

your right, cthulhu is a bit obscure, maybe something else, naming suugestion please!!!


the other advantage over warp feed is the capacity and lack of reloading, meaning that you never have to worry about your paint in a game, even if it lasts like half an hour.

keep them ideas and/or critisicms(sp?) coming!!

 

[Pinky_81]

As I see it the reloading is the only advantage over the Warp Feed - And I think the hose would bother quite a lot of people...
Hope I'm not too critical...

And you will run out of paint at some time (unless you have a heavy package of paint with you...)?? How do you keep track onhow much paint you have left??

Pinky

 

[NulodPBall]

I don't think that the pack HAS to be rigid. Maybe you can get away with having a rigid internal separator/spine. Maybe you can have an internal lid/panel that keep the balls compacted tward the bottom, using either gravity, or elastic. If your system is force feeding paint, then as long as balls feed into the hole in the bottom of the pack, I don't think you need the side tubes. One tube coming off the bottom is all that' needed, and is less bulky and lighter. The whole pressurization thing is neat and kinda elegant but as you pointed out, supplying the needed air might be a problem. I think that's how the pack that Raven used in their early ads, works.
You might be better off using existing technology rather than re-inventing the wheel. You might want to consider using a Warpfeed on the bottom of your pack. The feed system is already tweaked out. If you're using a hard "screw" to push paint, I have a suspicion that breaking paint would be problem. Also, everything needs to be easy to take apart and clean. Making everything see through would also help.
Maybe you can use tubes, about the same diameter as pods to help channel everything down to a hard manifold and the tubes would also protect the paint from breaking if any hits are taken, and not too much pressure would happen from jumping around.
Maybe the tube stacks can't be too high to prevent the bottom paint from feeling too much pressure?
Maybe a one way valve like the IR3 would be nice at various points in the flexible tube?
Hmmm...I think the pack idea is nice, but it would be a pain to execute, but let us know how it goes, the problems as well as the successes.

Ray
Relic

 

[NulodPBall]

Name?

I'd recommend that you take a hint from action/adventure heros and try to use as few syllables as possible.
I think the marketing for Cthulhu would be kinda neat though...it might work, just imagine the visuals. Not only Lovecraft fans would know about it but the D&D freaks would also... do people still play D&D? Is it Raven or Diablo that did the ad with the glowing eyes?
How about "Kore" as in "Hard core" (yes, misspelling words seems to be "in" or "phat" or "dank"...hmmm I couldn't misspell "dank"). If you stick with the screw feed, how about "Roto-tiller?"

Ray
Relic

 

[TOOLE]

the kore pack does sound cool, i think i may use it if someone hasn't already used it.

my problem with thewarp feed is does it have the power to feed around three feet? the longest i have seen is around 12 inches.

i will be using a soft corkscrew so that it wil ben and not break paint, but with a semi solid core so that it will not come undone and break.

i think i may try to build both electronic and pressure powered loaders. would 100 psi be enough to drive balls over say, 3 feet at a decent rate without squishing them.

if the warp feed works over those lengths at a decent speed i may well use it on the prototype.

the reason for three feeders is so that you can fire it when you are on your side, as the other two will ded on one side each.

a soft pack wouldn't work because if you fell you would break a whole load of balls.

oh yeah, i play d&d and quite a few other role play games (shadowrun, exalted, demon, call of cthuhu etc.)

 

[le-pig]

how about a 3 litre hpa tank in the bottom

 

[Loon]

the whole pack isn't much bigger than a tank like that!!

anyway, if you put a remote on it backmen could fir their marker with one hand and eat wih the other!!! i'm gonna sell loads (BTW i'm not serious, i like back men, great sources of covering fire! )

 

[vantrepes]

Last I knew, NPPL, and most other events require a gravity feed loading system. If you can flip the gun upside down, and still feed paint, you may not be able to use it.

You will also run into problems with feeding while moving. As you run/walk, the paint will bounce up, away from the feed system at the bottom.

You may also have issues with paint breaking in the feed tube because of the force needed to push it that far from the feed system.

Who knows, none of those may be a problem, and it will work wonders.

Just make sure you file for a patent ASAP. Since it has been "released to the public", the first person to file will get the rights. Doesn't matter who's idea it was, it matter who gets the paper work in first. Worst case, you are completely cut out, and can't do anything with the idea. Best case, you prove prior art, and can use it, but can't stop someone else from using it either.

Good luck, and keep plugging away.

 

[NulodPBall]

Originally posted by TOOLE
...the reason for three feeders is so that you can fire it when you are on your side, as the other two will ded on one side each.
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A backman laying on his side?
LOL, I can just picture him, laying on a chase lounge, eating chips and dips with his off hand and his gun chattering away.
You have to figure out your target user and then streamline according to that users probable needs. If you're forcefeeding, and you have those compressing aids (the lid that drops down as the level of the balls in the pack drops) it should help feed the one hose opening, unless you can figure out a way to make the three passages without the hoses sticking out and making everything bulky down there. Hmmm...I think you'll still have the same problem of feeding if you have side hoses/passages unless you have a mechanical feed system at each opening. That means a total of three feed systems on your pack. If you have only one mechanical feed system, how are the balls going to get to it if you're laying on your side? At some point, the balls will have to move "uphill" to get to the one mechanical feed system. And what about if you're upside down (a common backman position)? Someone I know did that at one Worldcup...he could've used a one-way valve in his droptube 'cause he was dry firing as he was coming down, upside down, as he was trying to bunker someone in a snake. The guy spun, and they both dry fired... when Ricky (or was it Irwin) hit the ground, on his head, he should've kept firing, but he didn't and the other guy did. Oh well, it made a good series of pics.
If you're using a mechanical mechanism (as opposed to the pressurized system), one thing that you might want to consider is that all the balls in the hose are basically useless once the pack runs empty...unless maybe you can detach the hose from the pack (this is where the one-way valve comes in handy...maybe you want another one-way valve closer to the gun also) and then raise the hose so the balls feed down to the gun, kinda like a belt fed machine gun. LOL, I just had a picture of Rambo coming out of the water, firing his Angel with the hose in his off hand, screaming...
Just a few thoughts.

Ray
Relic

 

[NulodPBall]

Originally posted by vantrepes
Last I knew, NPPL, and most other events require a gravity feed loading system. If you can flip the gun upside down, and still feed paint, you may not be able to use it...

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Then how do you explain the Warpdrive and the Halo being allowed?
Well, the official explanation for allowing the Warpdrive was that the hopper attached to the Warpdrive was basically gravity fed even if the balls in the tube are under pressure as they're moving, but the Halo is really a forcefed system.
When I scanned the NPPL rules for HB, I don't remember seeing a gravity fed rule, and if he's using a mechanical feed system, then the balls still have to fall down to the feed.

Ray