Some questions...

[tukisilva]

Hey

Will the EXL teams pay their inscription fee in the tournaments?

The prize money for the EXL teams will in any way get some part of the 7man inscription fee?
Coz it would be the ultimate laugh if we (common mortals) have to pay or give any money to the EXL.

Who’s going to be marshaling the EXL?
Some top teams not involved in the EXL I suppose. So we’re gonna lose some more Top Teams at the 7 man Series.

Can the EXL pay for the EXL?

Thanks

Cheers

 

[Red_Merkin]

it'll be a major scandal if the EXL gets paid for by the lower divisions.
If they get their own league, they can pay for it too, (or at least their sponsors can)

 

[Mak D - Nexus Eclipse]

Why is everyone moanin about the EXL, its a damm good thing for European paintball and all some of you can do is cry about. Its gonna give paintball the chance to blow over this side of the pond.

All i see is people givin others a hard time bout it and whinin..... look the top guys of paintball over here came up with this plan for tha EXL after hours of discussion meetings etc. And it wasnt just any set of guys we all kno who they were and we ALL know that they know there stuff!!

So why hate?

Mods feel free to delete this.... I can t even be bothered arguin bout this, just got sick of seein people moan bout it

Mak Daddy

 

[Buddha 3]

Ehm - are you guys KIDDING ???

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
2 - I don't think 7-man entry fees will go towards prize money in the EXL, at least first year. - But even if they did, what is the problem ? - in ANY other sport, the lower levels pay for the top level !

Are you completely insane? That doesn't happen...anywhere.

 

[Buddha 3]

Originally posted by Mak D - Nexus Eclipse
Why is everyone moanin about the EXL, its a damm good thing for European paintball and all some of you can do is cry about. Its gonna give paintball the chance to blow over this side of the pond.

All i see is people givin others a hard time bout it and whinin..... look the top guys of paintball over here came up with this plan for tha EXL after hours of discussion meetings etc. And it wasnt just any set of guys we all kno who they were and we ALL know that they know there stuff!!

So why hate?

Mods feel free to delete this.... I can t even be bothered arguin bout this, just got sick of seein people moan bout it

Mak Daddy

Mak, give these guys a break. They have a right to voice their opinion, whether you agree with them or not. Besides, there are two sides to every coin, so until the EXL has proven to be the "savior of paintball", this will keep popping up.

Besides, the plan these "brilliant minds" came up with, is not the original plan that was bandied around. More likely the current plan is a compromise, made because someone like Richmond Italia flexed some muscles and wanted to have his way to at least some measure. Don't forget that the people on the Millenium board aren't completely free of their own political loyalties. One of them for instance has very close ties to Richmond, so perhaps he had his chains yanked to vote for X-Ball.

 

[Red_Merkin]

Nick
the top division of any league is NOT supported by the teams below it. Top Divisions support them selves thorugh sponsorship, ticket sales television rights and advertising. Paintball costs the 'little guys' enough, without having to pay for the EXL too.

The guys who should be paying for it, are the television companies involved (if they are in fact involved), the sponsors for the EXL which is undoubtdly being sought after as we speak, DraXxus, as it is X-ball, and the whole thing is a rather large and specacular DraXxus advertisment, and the running of the teams themselves should come from sponsorship by the teams's direct sponsors.
I may chose to support your team by purchasing official 'Ducklings' Merchandise, and of course i expect to contribute to the shared costs of running a tournment (ie the admin and score keeping), but i do not find it fair that my entry fee should be garneshed to pay for refs the EXL, or for Equiptment that may be needed.

I hope this clarifies.

For the record, i think the EXL is a very good idea, but there are still some questions that need to be adressed. I look forward to seeing the competition and for cheering for my favorite team!

 

[Buddha 3]

Nick, I asked if you were insane, didn't say you are...you could just have said no. Sorry if I came off a little harsh, what I meant by that remark was simply that what you said is totally not true, I'll get to that in a sec. With hindsight I could have said that a little more subtle, so my apologies for that. And hey, it's just an expression...

Anyway,

In soccer, the federation governing the leagues pay for the refs to be trained, pay their wages, etc.

The Division they ref do not.

The Federation exists on membership fees from member clubs AND commercial income through sponsorships, media deals, etc.

As such the lower levels contribute to the running of the Major Leagues.

And that was my point.

Wrong-o. First off, that was NOT your point. Your point was:

the lower levels pay for the higher levels meaning that the costs for the big leagues get paid by the small fish.

Yes, refs and such get paid by the federation. However, the lower leagues do not contribute to the costs of the bigger leagues. All small clubs pay a certain fee to the federation, as do all individual members, as do all the big league clubs and members. However, the costs specific for the big leagues (like top notch refs) are paid for by, like you said, selling advertising space and such, but for that league only. None of the income generated by the smaller leagues is used to pay for the big league, which is self sufficient. The income generated by small clubs by selling advertising space to uncle Joe's fish shop does not go to the league, as this money paid for sponsoring a team or club, not a league.
the lower leagues pay for the running of the lower leagues. The big leagues also pay their own way. You'll also find that the big league clubs have to pay a higher fee as well.
In no way, shape or form do the small clubs pay a dime for the running of the big leagues. If anything it's the other way around as many of the big clubs have ties with smaller clubs where they help them out with things.

And I'll be damned if I play in a league where it'll be the other way around.

 

[DonLKSAB]

From the presrelease.

For 2004 the EXL league will see all entry fees being returned in Prize Money.

So the question is not were the pricemoney willl come from.
The question is who will pay the equipment, refs and time it takes to fix the EXL.

/DonLKSAB

 

[BWillie]

Once you pay your entry fee, it becomes the producer of the events money, and it is no longer yours.

If this producer decides to use that money to promote an elite separate format, in hopes that it will attract TV, sponsorship, growth or whatever - it is his prerogative.

If the level of Millennium events remains the same, why would any of you care where the money for the EXL came from?

Does it make a difference whether Laurent took the money out of his Adrenaline account, or out of his 7-Man World Cup account? Both are his to spend as he sees fit.

If the quality of the event drops to a level below which you are willing to pay money to play, then Laurent (and others) would have to make additional decisions on how to spend their money.

There can only be a couple of reasons for comments such as:

"it would be the ultimate laugh if we (common mortals) have to pay or give any money to the EXL"

-- jealousy at not being the best, and a disdain for the fact that those who have achieved a higher standard of play are being rewarded for it.

 

[sjt19]

Lane, that was one of the best posts i have seen in a long time.