So what fire mode was allowed in DMA

[Intheno]

yes Loco, I know it leaves the MS in the same boat as the NPPL re. enforcement. But I see it as the safer boat to be in when the sharks come calling. I am not defending the NPPL's currentsituation, just saying that the MS's stance is a dangerous one to take in Europe.

 

[JAC]

I agree to the point that if now we change back to semi only, the first two events will be really different from the following ones.
Ramping does more than just shooting faster: IMHO it change the games and tactics to some aspects. It is much easier to cover a lane with a ramping gun. And just diving to the next bunker is much more difficult if someone is already shooting at it. Also everybody can shoot left handed with ramping ...

So MS organization has a very serious decision to make : ban ramping and cut the season in two in terms of playing style/tactics/etc or maintain ramping and find ways to verify BPS that can be implemented in everyfield...

My only hope is they decide it as soon as possible to players know a priori what will happen in Paris...

just my 2 cents
JAC

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Hmm

if it says 'semi-only in the rules, why would it take any amount of time to enforce said rules

I think you should maybe have a look at the many LONG threads about enforcing "semi only" - or was that a tongue in cheek remark?



Anyway.... if people heard Laurent say ramping would not be allowed in Paris and beyond, they need their hearing checked.

What he said was (paraphrasing here Intheno - no need for the "Chicago treatment" ):

"From after this event, guns are not allowed to fire any shots after the last trigger release"

"Release" is the key word here (which was the point I was trying to make at the DMA captains meeting).

HAD he said "no more than one shot fired at the last trigger pull" - it would be a whole different story... but that is not what he said!

Nick

 

[Buddha 3]

Hmm

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
I think you should maybe have a look at the many LONG threads about enforcing "semi only" - or was that a tongue in cheek remark?



Anyway.... if people heard Laurent say ramping would not be allowed in Paris and beyond, they need their hearing checked.

What he said was (paraphrasing here Intheno - no need for the "Chicago treatment" ):

"From after this event, guns are not allowed to fire any shots after the last trigger release"

"Release" is the key word here (which was the point I was trying to make at the DMA captains meeting).

HAD he said "no more than one shot fired at the last trigger pull" - it would be a whole different story... but that is not what he said!

Nick

So as long as you keep the trigger pressed, you can keep shooting? Sweeeeeeeeeeeet........full auto!

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Jay

So as long as you keep the trigger pressed, you can keep shooting? Sweeeeeeeeeeeet........full auto!

No no - you still have to pull the trigger - that's not the point.

Think about it.... how would you programme a board, so that it ramped like crazy, passed the "runaway trigger test", and shot no shots after the last triggerRELEASE??



Nick

 

[John C]

autoresponse ramping


So when you fire fast it shoots on pull and release...





What do I win ??

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

Nope

autoresponse ramping

That's not it - you are way off actually.

The point is that you can programme a board so that no shots are fired after trigger release - and it still ramps

 

[Chicago]

Originally posted by Intheno
Where's Chicago? Surely he wants to throw around words like "Hypocracy", "dishonest", 'travesty of justice', etc...

I'm going to just go with "Stupid".

Millenium is so PSP last year as far as their gun rule goes. If you write a rule that isn't a rule, well, you get no rule, ala apparently DMA.

Paris won't be any better, since they have the same means of enforcing semi-auto as they apparently did enforcing 15 bps: Nothing.

Certified boards. It's the only way.

 

[Chicago]

Hmm

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff

"From after this event, guns are not allowed to fire any shots after the last trigger release"

"Release" is the key word here (which was the point I was trying to make at the DMA captains meeting).

HAD he said "no more than one shot fired at the last trigger pull" - it would be a whole different story... but that is not what he said!

So Laurent just banned using eyes, which pretty much all will fire a shot after a trigger release if a paintball shows up in the meantime (up to a quarter second later).

This also does ban ramping as we know it, since it requires that the trigger is held down for the gun to shoot. The way PSP ramping works is you pull the trigger, and up to 3 balls come out. IF you wanted to do the same thing under Laurent's restriction, you'd need to pull the trigger, hold it for exactly three shots, then release and pull it again before the 4th shot, then hold it for exactly three shots... I dunno how many people out there are very good at holding a trigger for 195ms, then releasing and pressing it again within 65 ms, and doing that over and over to get 15 bps.

Of course, if that's the only rule, it also makes full auto legal, since you're missing the balls-per-pull limit.

So I would expect that if that really was what he said, there will be backtracking on that prior to paris, since what he did say makes about as much sense as Intheno.

 

[Chicago]

Nope

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
That's not it - you are way off actually.

The point is that you can programme a board so that no shots are fired after trigger release - and it still ramps

Make sure you turn off the gun and pull and release the trigger at least once at the end of the game. Then all the shots were before the trigger release.